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Misaki Town Bakery => Melty Blood Auditorium => : MasterT December 16, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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http://e56.info/discussplus/artview.cgi?id=MELTYAC&mode=view&page=0&num=13489&sort=1&back=tree
- Location test announcement for MBAA: Final Tuned
- Will be at Club Sega Akihabara on Dec. 26/27 (Saturday/Sunday)
- Will have all updates made to the PS2 version released this summer.
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*crosses fingers for Ryougi*
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Baller
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*crosses fingers for Ryougi*
Considering it says it'll have all the PS2 changes I assume that means characters too.
I still want a PC version though =(
Or my local arcade could import this that would make me happy. Unfortunately it won't happen.
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Fuck years, at the very least this means they haven't given up on this game yet.
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Fuck years, at the very least this means they haven't given up on this game yet.
Naming it 'final' tuned suggests they have given up already though. Though this at least gives me some hope for a PC port.
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Well, this means we'll get tiers with console characters, so chin-up.
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No PC port, no hype.
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Why would you want a PC port? Do you think it'll have netplay included?
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No PC port, no hype.
I don't understand this shit at all.
The PS2 port has always brought in more people to the community, it makes running tournaments undeniably easier, and now we'll literally be playing the same game as Japanese (for those that care).
Why bother waiting for the PC version? You realize mauve is NOT making a client for it, right?
Stop waiting and start fucking playing. This year's NEC proved to me that 'oh my scene has noone' don't mean jack shit anymore.
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Ps2 port brought mad life to the scene last time around too. Seeing how much the game is thriving makes me hope that a PC port doesn't come out at least until the game is established enough to get regular play on a mainstream level. If it can make that, then even if a PC port drops it won't be the end of the game.
Btw, I didn't realize that mauve swore off adapting the netplay for any possible future mbaa pc vers. I guess pc port wouldn't really kill the game as long as there wasn't netplay, since people would still have to go to events to get in any matches.
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oh no not the pc port kill it quick
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All in all I feel that netplay makes people not feel the need to rush out and find some dudes to duel against; which kinda prevents any scene from starting up where the people who are netplay-only usually tell you they netplay because they have no scene. Netplay doesn't kill scenes, it just kinda prevents them from starting up.
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MBAA had slowdown in PS2 and even Arcade sometimes. You must ask yourself this, "Would my computer really handle this?". Im pretty apathetic. Netplay would serve as a way for me to just waste time but it stagnating the community is definitely a downside.
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same pattern as Act Cadenza, big deal
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Butthurt comments about the guy who wants to play on PC.
three things to point out.
One: I love how people seem to think the only reason the MBAC scene deteriorated was online play. Unless people have a hard-on for source material affiliated with a fighter, or the fighter is amazingly well balanced and built up an extremely strong scene that can survive for years due to previously mentioned reasons, or has flocks of idiots who play it because its mainstream, fighters loose players over time. Case in point: Every fighter that doesn't have the words "Street Fighter", "Guilty Gear", or "Versus" in its name.
If the mere option to play online killed the MBAC scene that quickly, then i hate to tell you, but MBAC was past its prime anyway. When a new fighter comes out, and people are bored with the one there playing due to a lack of any of the 3 previously mentioned reasons, what do you think they do? They PLAY THE NEW FIGHTER. They will inevitably become bored with it, true. And they may return to the old fighter to play again if they still enjoy it or thought it was better then the new fighter. But many will choose not to return. They will stay with the new fighter, or move on to ANOTHER new one. I hate to break it to you, but MBAC was NOT Accent Core. It's potential to hold players on the premise of gameplay alone was.... less then amazing. And MBAC DEFINITELY wasn't "mainstream". For christs sake, you don't see GG players making fun of there own game, or saying things like "I know (random game) is technically better then the one i play, but i still play my game anyway". The fanbase that stayed with MBAC were the people who loved the source material/characters, and the people who loved/accepted the quirks that made other people detest it. (2A mashing, EX Heiro, etc)
If you loved MBAC, fine. The fact that this site exists is testament to the fact that people liked MBAC. But blaming netplay as the sole reason for the deterioration of the scene is ludicrous, and a blatant excuse to hide from the reality that your game had flaws that other people didnt like or didnt find amazing enough to warrant playing for years.
If MBAA is as good of a game as you all say it is, then you shouldn't have a fucking problem then. Don't blame people who can't play the game on the console its on for wanting to play it on one that they can play. If making multiplayer (the reason people buy fighters in the first place) available to more people kills your scene, your game is fucking doomed. Look at SF4. Sure the game is bland as shit, but its mainstream, and got a fuckton of players right at launch. You dont see the online play driving people off THERE, do you? (if you have some funky ass statistic that shows that online play has, in fact, hampered SF4's success, il recant this whole post.)
Two: Id play the PS2 version if i could. Mines broke, and to put it bluntly, im poor as fuck. Jackasses. >:(
Three: If theirs no netplay, fine. Id just like to play the fucking game at this point. Im assuming the system requirements for a PC version would be less then running the PS2 disc through a PS2 emu, (which my comp isnt capable of. Because im poor as fuck.), so all i can do is hope for a PC release. Game doesn't LOOK like itd cause much more graphical chug then MBAC did. (if im wrong there, then that prolly axes any chance of me getting to play it until i can scrounge up money that doesn't go towards college bills and a roof. Dont kill my dreams please. :emo:)
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Butthurt comments about the guy who wants to play on PC.
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I agree with this but would also like to add that a ps3 or 360 port would also be :fap: worthy if unlikely.
Just out of interst how are the communities of games you can play on GGPO like the SFA games and 3s since it launched?
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I'm so poor I can't afford to mod a decade-old game system to pirate a game like 99% of the people playing right now, so I will wait for a torrent of a PC port.
Could've saved us a lot of time by getting to the point. Save the hostility for someplace else please.
Netplay doesn't kill a scene, but it doesn't really augment it by much either. Most of the people who netplay regularly aren't going to travel to an event to get real games in due to any number of reasons: casual attitude (nothing wrong with this), lack of funds or time, social awkwardness, etc. In the end, the core competitive scene will still continue to exist. By the time MBAC Caster came out the game was already starting to slip a bit. It got a brief revival but in the end the hassle of running events on PC made the whole thing more trouble than it was worth. A PC port without netplay would basically put the scene in a difficult position of choosing between an outdated PS2 version or a logistical nightmare on PC. Mauve has already made it clear he isn't going to make a netplay tool for a MBAA PC even if it came out, so good luck finding someone to fill his shoes.
EDIT: The Alpha games are dead competitively, reduced to niche playerbases. 3S is pretty much dead too. Netplay didn't revive or kill these games, they were just old and their time was over.
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Just a game, chill up
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Perfect.
I'm going to be in Japan from the 26th and on.
Probably going to be a nightmare all over again trying to get a spot to play...
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A PC port without netplay would basically put the scene in a difficult position of choosing between an outdated PS2 version or a logistical nightmare on PC.
What do you mean? PC means less shit to carry around, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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A PC port without netplay would basically put the scene in a difficult position of choosing between an outdated PS2 version or a logistical nightmare on PC.
What do you mean? PC means less shit to carry around, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
At big tourneys there will always be TVs supplied, making it a lot easier to setup and play with ps2. With laptops there's always the potential for lcd screen lag and converter input lag, etc. Also converters are easily lost/stolen in the mass of players. All in all it's not that much different, but running big events certainly feels easier with ps2 than it did with mbac pc. Plus, playing your game on laptops just makes it feel more poverty somehow. =\
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replays.
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No PC port, no hype.
I don't understand this shit at all.
The PS2 port has always brought in more people to the community, it makes running tournaments undeniably easier, and now we'll literally be playing the same game as Japanese (for those that care).
Why bother waiting for the PC version? You realize mauve is NOT making a client for it, right?
Stop waiting and start fucking playing. This year's NEC proved to me that 'oh my scene has noone' don't mean jack shit anymore.
It gets a lot easier to say this when you actually have local scene. I'm curious to know if you'd be saying the same thing if your closest casual competition was 6 hours and $100 away.
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I'm calling F-ciel rape NOW (provided she receives ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGES).
Preemptive "Zar told you so". =p
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I'm calling F-ciel rape NOW (provided she receives ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGES).
Preemptive "Zar told you so". =p
Please spend another 2 hours destroying me :(
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im poor as fuck.
Do you live under a bridge or what it is not that incredibly hard to get money even in these times. I was able to work for money to mod a PS2 when I was in middle school man and I am the farthest thing possible from rich.
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No PC port, no hype.
I don't understand this shit at all.
The PS2 port has always brought in more people to the community, it makes running tournaments undeniably easier, and now we'll literally be playing the same game as Japanese (for those that care).
Why bother waiting for the PC version? You realize mauve is NOT making a client for it, right?
Stop waiting and start fucking playing. This year's NEC proved to me that 'oh my scene has noone' don't mean jack shit anymore.
I agree whole heartedly. If you don't have a scene in your area - start one! Take out the time/money to come out to events. And with the mem card mods for Ps2 available now, it shouldn't cost you more than 10$ to mod it. GLZ makes a good point about MBAC was mostly past it's prime when PC (and online play) came out, so it is good for the community, but ultimately I think it should be melty bread's goal to get more people playing and the community members should be doing their best to vitalize it all the time.
I know I personally go out of my way to give people rides, a place to stay, and travel to goto tournaments all a heavy hit on the wallet. But the fact is there's nothing wrong with spending money to have a bit of fun, and our younger group needs to realize because you can't sit at your computer with online play doesn't mean the game is lacking anything (except replays, as Irysa said...)
The fact is, we should really be the elite of elite in the community and starting/going out to all the events on the boards and getting MB bigger for everyone. Regardless of what people who want a Pc Port may say the scene for MBAA right now is bigger than I've ever seen it for ANY past reiteration of the franchise - ever.
I can see why Ecolesoft didn't include PS2 netplay or anything of the like. In Japan, fighting games are a social endeavor, and with the release of SF4 the fighting game scene in general has been revitalized, so they want to see this community hit the peak it did in the 90s. It gets people out to arcades and gets people hype.
How about seeing an arcade OPEN because of our efforts instead of closing down, like all of them US side have been in the last 5 years? It's really fun to be right there against your opponent, with a crowd. I'll not degenerate this into a psychology topic, but needless to say there's something about proximity that makes the game seem more important and gets you more competitive - hence, more fun.
Just get out there and play.
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A PC port without netplay would basically put the scene in a difficult position of choosing between an outdated PS2 version or a logistical nightmare on PC.
What do you mean? PC means less shit to carry around, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
a statement like this means you have never been to an event trying to set up a ps2 vs a pc. a ps2 is a by far easier to set up and run than a million laptops.
having to exit out of the game to reconfig keys everytime is a fucking pain as well
replays.
deprecated with the popularization of youtube and streaming. when you promote the game to people you don't hand them a pack of replays for a game they probably haven't even downloaded. you link them on youtube or a stream. also fuck trying to gather and label replays scattered from five different laptops into one zip file
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I'll port caster to MBAA if it comes out for PC.
Unless it doesn't run at full speed on my system.
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I'll port caster to MBAA if it comes out for PC.
Unless it doesn't run at full speed on my system.
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I'll port caster to MBAA if it comes out for PC.
Unless it doesn't run at full speed on my system.
close firefox
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a statement like this means you have never been to an event trying to set up a ps2 vs a pc. a ps2 is a by far easier to set up and run than a million laptops.
having to exit out of the game to reconfig keys everytime is a fucking pain as well
For events sure, but that's not the case when you're trying to get a few games in that 1-2 hour gap in between classes. I just don't see how a pc port would be a bad thing.
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a statement like this means you have never been to an event trying to set up a ps2 vs a pc. a ps2 is a by far easier to set up and run than a million laptops.
having to exit out of the game to reconfig keys everytime is a fucking pain as well
For events sure, but that's not the case when you're trying to get a few games in that 1-2 hour gap in between classes. I just don't see how a pc port would be a bad thing.
not a bad thing, but without netplay it contributes nothing really useful and makes the scene have to use a nonoptimal platform in order to stay current. with netplay, the platform is still subpar but at least there's vastly increased accessibility -- and again, it's basically down to two people who have a shot of making it happen, and one of them is flatly refusing to do it.
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don't worry guys i just learned how to program tetris in java i totally have the skills to make a caster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think a PC port would be welcome, but only with one change compared to other ports: Let us set buttons inside the game. That's a make or break factor for nationwide tournament play. When you get two people together for a match, it takes twice the time to get converters and buttons set up. If we have static converters for each laptop (no switching except in special stick situations) and in-game button setting, things will be a lot smoother with a PC version.
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I'm curious to know if you'd be saying the same thing if your closest casual competition was 6 hours and $100 away.
wtf
that's close
the closest i'm getting to another mb player is either Japan or Cali
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probably needless to say but all the pros to a ps2 port heavily outweigh the pros of getting a pc port. the only thing i spent money on when i modded my ps2 (which i got for free <3) was the memory card
for all the pc version enthusiasts whiners if you actually really like something, you will go out of your way to get it. drastic times call for drastic measures but where there is a will, there is always a way. really, these barriers are nothing. casualpovertyfags can go find something else they will enjoy with their free time.
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I'm so poor I can't afford to travel to spooky's to play mbaa 3 or 4 weekends a year, so I will wait for a torrent of a PC port.
Hoping for a PC port as long as it doesn't come at the expense of rendering PS2 port useless, so either by having final tuned come out on both PS2 and PC, or not having enough 'tuning' to make the previous PS2 port useless.
Anyone living in the region of NYC or SoCal is in no position to tell anybody else to go out there and just play. That's like me telling starving African children life ain't so bad while I'm eating a BigMac.
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for all the pc version enthusiasts whiners if you actually really like something, you will go out of your way to get it. drastic times call for drastic measures but where there is a will, there is always a way. really, these barriers are nothing. casualpovertyfags can go find something else they will enjoy with their free time.
Considering you can play the PS2 version for free already price isn't even an issue (sry 4 ruining ur meme). But if you want to play the Ad Hominem game I can call you Hitler or something.
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don't worry guys i just learned how to program tetris in java i totally have the skills to make a caster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you do realise tropsy created the first working netplay for MBAC right
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don't worry guys i just learned how to program tetris in java i totally have the skills to make a caster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you do realise tropsy created the first working netplay for MBAC right
Yes, I used it back then too. It wasn't aimed at him. It was aimed at the statement(s) that since Mauve doesn't want to make a caster then its not worth waiting for a PC version or that netplay isn't going to happen if Mauve doesn't do it.
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tbh we could probably change mauves mind if we just got everyone who wants netplay to chip in like 10 bucks and he'd make mad bank off doing it but most of the netplay scene is scumming leeching assholes so that probably wont happen
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tbh we could probably change mauves mind if we just got everyone who wants netplay to chip in like 10 bucks and he'd make mad bank off doing it but most of the netplay scene is scumming leeching assholes so that probably wont happen
mauve's also stated he will not accept money for his coding work. he basically isn't going to do it, so you're going to have to rely on tropsy, and anyone who knows tropsy has an idea of what this means
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Means if tropsy codes a shitty caster for mbaa mauve will just fix it anyway.
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yeah i'm not against just fixing what other people do, it's the initial grunt work that makes me groan. i mean it's like a week of just collecting data until i can even start working on it.
frankly, it's more a matter of time and motivation than anything else. i can't do everything and i do want to work on projects of my own. this rollcaster is taking up way too much of it as it is.
and yeah, i will not involve money in my hacking work. it's on shaky legal ground to begin with but is generally accepted because it's not for profit. as soon as anything resembling cash gets involved that goes out the window right quick and i don't wanna deal with it.
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No PC port, no hype.
I don't understand this shit at all.
The PS2 port has always brought in more people to the community, it makes running tournaments undeniably easier, and now we'll literally be playing the same game as Japanese (for those that care).
Why bother waiting for the PC version? You realize mauve is NOT making a client for it, right?
Stop waiting and start fucking playing. This year's NEC proved to me that 'oh my scene has noone' don't mean jack shit anymore.
It gets a lot easier to say this when you actually have local scene. I'm curious to know if you'd be saying the same thing if your closest casual competition was 6 hours and $100 away.
I just wanted to point that out that for a year Zarticus, myself, and Tinshi at times were doing exactly this. We'd take a bus at 6:30am from NYC and do absurd amounts of transitions just to get to a no name town in MA that had the only MB cabinet on the East Coast at the time. Our first trip there was a diaster too, but we went back several times, and this was during the time that the first PS2 version was out.
It also took years for there to be an actual local scene for 'us'. The fact that we could only get 8 people in a city of millions to play the game for three years or so was the scene, but as was said previously, where there's a will, there's a way. We could have given up years ago, but shit we're still here. We still travel, and it's not to be some 'tourneyfag' either, we geniunely love the game and the community.
Shit, the community is the best fucking part, I fucking love you guys. You guys shit over any community I've ever been a part of, and I've been part of everything at one point. That's why I'm so pushy, because I want other people to expierence this, and that's why NEC proved to me that excuses like 'we don't have a scene' don't mean shit. There were people at NEC from states that I didn't even know gave a shit about the game, but they came out anyway for the love it all.
So stop fucking waiting for the PC port and join the fucking fun already, shit.
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"hi im waiting for a pc por-"
No shut up, go outside and travel to a local scene, just because you're allergic to the sun doesn't mean jack shit, that's why they make umbrellas, you'll still be pale and pasty. OH WAIT PEOPLE ASKING FOR A PC PORT DON'T DO JACK SHIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY ANYWAYS.
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OH WAIT PEOPLE ASKING FOR A PC PORT DON'T DO JACK SHIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY ANYWAYS.
Then you should probably keep bitching at them to make their own scene.
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"hi im waiting for a pc por-"
No shut up, go outside and travel to a local scene, just because you're allergic to the sun doesn't mean jack shit, that's why they make umbrellas, you'll still be pale and pasty. OH WAIT PEOPLE ASKING FOR A PC PORT DON'T DO JACK SHIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY ANYWAYS.
Oh boy, now I'm really convinced to start a local Melty scene in my area!
PC or not, people are entitled to their own style of play whether that be at the arcades, a friend's house, or through online play. Now I'm no poverty connoisseur, but in the end it looks like the same game and shit to me, whether at my house or at Snoop Dog's crib. Peepz need to chill the hell out and just play the bloody game and contribute to it here. If PC version comes out screw it, time to start busting out the laptops.
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deprecated with the popularization of youtube and streaming. when you promote the game to people you don't hand them a pack of replays for a game they probably haven't even downloaded. you link them on youtube or a stream. also fuck trying to gather and label replays scattered from five different laptops into one zip file
I didn't mean in a competitive sense, just when you play casuals or whatever with friends it's nice to have a replay function to get back good moments or matches you want.
I just wanted to point that out that for a year Zarticus, myself, and Tinshi at times were doing exactly this. We'd take a bus at 6:30am from NYC and do absurd amounts of transitions just to get to a no name town in MA that had the only MB cabinet on the East Coast at the time. Our first trip there was a diaster too, but we went back several times, and this was during the time that the first PS2 version was out.
I gave up on trying to run MBAA at the side at my local MVC2/SF4 ranbats lol, complete disaster. It's the same shit anytime you try to get anyone to play any game they say "yeah o.k it looks cool" and then you're left sitting grinding combos by yourself unless you brought a friend along. Doesn't help that most of the people I did manag to get into it are now too busy/at university on the other side of the damn country.
I think there's less of a problem of not caring about Melty in a lot of places, it's more nobody cares about fighting games. Even these ranbats that got started running here recently have tiny attendance as it is and over 3/4 of the people attending do it because they feel sorry for the LAN center owner, he loves fighting games but he never gets to play with anybody.
Hasn't even been a single notable tournament ever organized up here for years since last August and that was all English folk coming up to win the pot.
I think some Americans don't understand that it's not that places like Europe aren't trying to get people interested, and hitting a wall of uncertainty and dislike, it's literally that people don't care about fighting games unless you live in London, Stockholm or Paris. It's not a niche problem, it's a general cultural interest (lol) issue.
/rant
kind of irrelevant.
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honestly, it doesn't cost much to play MBAA unless you want to play on stick.
Either way, this topic isn't about any PC port or some shit. It's about MBAAFT which is going to be the arcade patch to add a few fixes and the console changes (like Ryougi)
I think they're gonna nerf a few things about Ryougi like the charge time on her unblockables :(. Most likely a damage nerf too. I'll be waiting for info to come from JP. Maybe I'll finally have a Ryougi player to watch <3
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pc port just gonna bring out more mizuumi netplay weirdos
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honestly, it doesn't cost much to play MBAA unless you want to play on stick.
Either way, this topic isn't about any PC port or some shit. It's about MBAAFT which is going to be the arcade patch to add a few fixes and the console changes (like Ryougi)
I think they're gonna nerf a few things about Ryougi like the charge time on her unblockables :(. Most likely a damage nerf too. I'll be waiting for info to come from JP. Maybe I'll finally have a Ryougi player to watch <3
The first thing that comes to mind is the LA. I assume they'll fix the glitch and maybe tone down the damage.
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Fixing the LA glitch is immediately needed, but really...aside from that she doesn't really need any buffs or nerfs. She's just fine.
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I honestly can't see what else could be done outside of the console characters. Maybe they'll wow me if they give Arc a real pink(y) ring.
This is the ONLY thing I'm saying about previous comments/conversations on this thread:
While these last few months (year if you're in JP land) have ended up becoming a great time for MB, the community is at a peak and we can only go higher! Niggas need to understand that if you're playing this game at this time in your life, you need to enjoy it with the community. This is a time that you can't let pass you by. You have people who are coming out of the gutters and no name states to try and get with what's going on in this country. If you can't understand the numbers at NEC, one thing can be told from them: NEC was the biggest MB tournament in the country TO DATE. Your community from all points of the United States saved up their money (or donation threads lol) to make MBAA (the game, not Melty) known in the fighting game community. Quite frankly, we did just that.
When I say "we", I mean everyone, even if you just touched the game for 2 minutes and learned j.C with Nero all day. I'm talking from day 1s to Team Sp00ky. Like Chibi said, I love this community, even though I missed NEC. Therefore, I'm busting my ass to get to every other tournament for MB in 2010. I'm black and I'm broke. I work at CVS and I'm a full time student on top of that. Then I got bills to use work money for. I got excuses but nothing that'll keep my ass from going somewhere to play this game. If you really want to help us, allow us to help you. You've got community who will more than gladly open doors to THEIR OWN HOMES FOR YOU and you're probably some theiving ass mother fucker twiddling thumbs on AC. And no more socially backwards bullshit, we've all been socially awkward at times, but you can really learn and have fun with these guys at the same time.
I don't care about PC or PS2 right now, I care about my community right now. You guys got almost 400 simultaneous viewers for MB finals at NEC. You got people who are trying to defend AA for a spot at EVO of all places even when the odds say fuck no. You got people PM'ing me asking me how to play and if anyone plays where they live...in #capcom on IRC. This is just a time where we really need to buckle down and band together, real talk. I'd hate to see this community hit a slump after Evo like there wasn't shit else to do, there's alot more shit else to do and we're gonna run that shit anywhere we can. History of MB has usually been back-ran, BYOC, sucky TVs, stuck in front of a gazebo, and usually taunted and kicked out at times for years. People, as long as you understand this post and make shit run where you live...
We be fo 'sho gettin' reparations.
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Man, don't even say you can get those SF4 and GG players to play MB. After a bit of effort, I managed to get the SF4 players in our group to switch to MBAA. Even the GG players who said they hated MB have started playing. All it takes is a bit of hype, yelling and for me a money match to start spreading the hype. One of those GG players even brought in a MB player despite not knowing how to play MB. Sure they say they hate it, but you know they're just being tsundere for MB when they walk into the room, run MB and start practicing combos.
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Fixing the LA glitch is immediately needed, but really...aside from that she doesn't really need any buffs or nerfs. She's just fine.
Yeah, that LA is going to be fixed, no doubt about it. But she could use a few buffs, like tweaking her normals to be a least a frame faster and fixing her j.A and j.B in half moon. For some reason they both do the same amount of damage and have the exact same startup frames. What's the point?
And on the local community scene: back in March when SF4 debuted we only had a small community of gamers. I started browsing srk and joined it this year, which in turn lead to finding more like-minded players. Now that SF4 has taken its stride, they've started branching out and trying other games including MBAA, so it goes to show you that with time and patience you can start building something in your own community as well.
We've had four tournaments this year, and each event keeps getting larger and larger. More people come out of the woodwork. Traveling to majors is a little out of the question as the nearest comp in 3 hours away and all, but if you go to those then more than likely they'll honor the visit and go to yours as well. Last time I was at KC's ranbat, I spread the gospel about MBAA and now they have players for it too.
The resources are out there, you just have to keep plugging at it. There'd still be just three people playing MBAA here if it wasn't for all that effort I put into making a community.
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I hear from Tropsy reading from the jp bbs that C-V.Akiha j.C is now untechable.
Also something about F-Len having a hop for a dash and NAC can combo off of mantis.
But seriously, that first one <3
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this begs the question, how are you gonna plug a keyboard into a PS2
what a rubbish system
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Silly Lolly, I have a PS2 stick already! I can even do a few bnbs on it! I've even played some rounds!
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"hi im waiting for a pc por-"
No shut up, go outside and travel to a local scene, just because you're allergic to the sun doesn't mean jack shit, that's why they make umbrellas, you'll still be pale and pasty. OH WAIT PEOPLE ASKING FOR A PC PORT DON'T DO JACK SHIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY ANYWAYS.
It's simply too hard to get hype for a game that I can only play with other people 5-6 times a year. Seriously, the very concept of such a thing is laughable. Someone living in NYC can't say shit about wanting a PC port and lack of scene, but you guys need to realise that America isn't the only country where shit matters. Europe as a whole is bigger than America, but for the most part none of the countries communicate much with each other, partly due to language barriers and partly due to other bullshit. In EU MB scene, almost everyone is british. We got a few swedish dudes and a few finnish dudes but that's about it. Hardly anyone from mainland. I know that France has a fucking huge FG scene but I've never spoken to them nor know where they hang out. For america its easy, everyone goes to SRK forums, everyone goes to evo, everyone knows about NEC and seasons beatings and fucking west coast warzone and all this other shit, and even if they can't go they can get in on the hype. In europe we don't have that, the various countries don't wanna communicate with each other. We can start building these links with france and other countries, but we need a starting point, and that has to be netplay. With that as a basis, we can try to gather EU players in one place, get more EU players to travel and build bigger scenes throughout the country and the continent. But we need a starting point, and even then it's nearly impossible. Neo Empire couldnt even get jack shit to travel for SF4. there were like 20 foreign players tops at BoD a year and a half ago, and probably like 5 at SvB this year. Sweden used to be the top country in EU for GG and GG is dead now and so is sweden, practically. All the swedish guys I know complain that their scene is dead. It's easy to talk shit about america cause you can fuckin drive anywhere, just make a big road trip. In EU you gotta fly and you need a passport, you can't compare it.
tl;dr: maybe you guys dont need netplay in america but guess what the world doesnt revolve around america
MBAA FT: I'm still confident this will build on the PS2 version rather than porting it, and I would be very surprised if we didn't see any new characters, even if it's just a balanced version of archetype earth. I would play the shit out of that, she was so much fun in PS2, but obviously unusable in serious play. If they tweaked her to play the same but be less broken I'd be all over that shit. I'd also like to see them fix some of the practically useless character/moon combos, such as H-Wara. At the end of the day it's just a loketest and we shouldn't take anything for granted until release, I wouldn't be surprised if Ecole had surprises in store for what will most certainly be the final MB game.
Does anyone else think this previously unheard-of update might be a kneejerk reaction to the unexpected popularity of the game, or maybe even a solid push to get the game at Tougeki next year? I've heard stuff that Tougeki is trying to modernise (much like EVO trying to have current-gen games only) and that's whats keeping MB out.
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It really would be nice to see new things for characters like C/H-Wara and C/H-Len and the stuff. Yeah, C-Len has teleport, orbs, and hammer, but it's not enough, they're still basically the same character. H-Wara actually does have a little bit of merit. His 5B is a good anti-air with clash, 5A 6AA combos are fun and he has a good 5A 6AA that links into 5B. 623A/B probably doesn't have a much better hitbox than Crescent's but it's nice to be able to see what his hitbox is like without hitting a frame displayer. j.236B is actually faster and iirc hits more too, which is cool. It's not that he isn't really a worse character, but Crescent just has better things. They need to be changed a little more so yeah, somebody might play half over crescent.
Actually, I think that's a very difficult to address problem though and probably won't see anything, it would require some pretty major changes, which I don't expect.
EDIT: Silly me, I forgot that maybe speeding up his 2A from seven frame startup might be nice.
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H-Wara has a 7f 2a.
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I'm a nobody in Croatia and I wouldn't be able to netplay anyone in reasonable delay even if there was netplay, but I'll post an image expressing my contempt for people that have a scene.
Thanks for your input. From here on out any more threadshitting will result in deleted posts and whimsical bans. Let's keep it on topic, like how the hardware is not going to be Naomi but Ringwide, which is an XP-embedded system that would make a PC port a closer reality than before.
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I'm a nobody in Croatia and I wouldn't be able to netplay anyone in reasonable delay even if there was netplay, but I'll post an image expressing my contempt for people that have a scene.
Thanks for your input. From here on out any more threadshitting will result in deleted posts and whimsical bans. Let's keep it on topic, like how the hardware is not going to be Naomi but Ringwide, which is an XP-embedded system that would make a PC port a closer reality than before.
Okay, now this just seems dumb. MBAA's main appeal was that it was a current game on NAOMI, meaning arcade owners didn't have to throw out or severely lower the prices on their shitty obselete NAOMI cabinets. I don't see any point in porting it to another system, and I'm curious to know how many arcade owners would be willing to shell out on entirely brand new cabinets for what is essentially a minor update to the game. Obviously the big famous arcades that you see on your dumb little nico vids will, but I dunno if the same can be said for the small guys.
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I've never heard of the Ringwide before. I'm curious as to what the specs are, like how it compares to something like the Taito-X2. I'm not sure exactly what the motive is behind moving to new hardware, but I highly doubt it means they're going to give it any graphical updates. KoF sure didn't take full advantage of the Naomi's capabilities when the series moved to it.
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Changing cabs seems like a bad choice to me.
also ITT:Trolls trolling trolls about being trolled.
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I'm just guessing this won't be enough to warrant a new version for PS2. But, I'm really glad this game is seeing more people. I finally have people I can travel out and play and I really like that about the community now. Socially interacting with people outside of keyboard. lol I wonder what Japan is going to Do with these console characters that we haven't yet. This is going to be great to see.
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I want un-broke Archetype Earth. No point having that character in other wise...
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Best thing that could happen is a PS3 release. Internet connection available -> online play. Then just a PS3 keyboard and all the PC players would shit on their computer and buy a playstation.
I would.
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I've never heard of the Ringwide before. I'm curious as to what the specs are, like how it compares to something like the Taito-X2. I'm not sure exactly what the motive is behind moving to new hardware, but I highly doubt it means they're going to give it any graphical updates. KoF sure didn't take full advantage of the Naomi's capabilities when the series moved to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards#RingWide
RingWide is made of inexpensive components. Even a new computer built with cheap parts can completely dominate it spec-wise, since it relies on SDRAM along with a recommended graphics card series about three years old and processor that was weak even when it came out.
Anyone know how much money it takes to manufacture NAOMI cartridges? That is the only reason I can think of to make them switch, besides Sega basically dropping support for NAOMI.
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cool and ORIGINAL ideas for "new" characters that we will never, ever see cus my opinion really doesn't matter to begin with:
Mr. Chin (Kohaku AD)
Goshujin-sama (MechHisui's "master")
After looking through frame viewer and random sprites I thought it would be a cool idea to have more original character appearances like the two I've mentioned...Instead of a 6th Akiha/Random Maid Team. Designing them to use traditional martial arts styles (like miyako) would be extra-dope.
anyway...
Really (still) praying that F-ciel goes untouched (unless it's for bigger jC hit box or faster/high(er) flickers).
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The reason is more likely that Sega want to promote their new hardware, MBAA is currently the most played 2D FG in Japan (well chart hasn't been updated since BBCS was released to be honest) so there is no question about if the arcades in japan will buy it or not, then if the hardware sells well thanks to MBAA FT, it could be more appealling to other editors to relase their games on it.
Still it's not good news, Naomi is cheap and with a game on cartridge it's very reliable (GD rom wasn't as much though), the new hardware will bring some new problems, like cooling as most old cabinets have no ventilation at all, that's not a problem for a Naomi but with a pc based system it can be very bad, for exemple i know an arcade in Paris that fried a type X2 this summer because they didn't thought of adding ventilation in a blast city. And of course the price won't be the same, we could hope getting MBAA FT in the 200k yen range as a Naomi rom, with this new system the game kit will probably go around 260-300k yen.
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Talking about random character addition. How about Ciel Sensei!? You can't have Neco arc without Ciel Sensei. Maybe more series intertwine with typemoon.
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You guys are so lucky to live in a place you can get someone to play. In my country - Brazil- the scene is the netplay, the friends and community is the netplay: hamachi and msn groupsim. There are about 10 MB players in the whole country. Luckily no one is actually playing MBAA, since there are no way to play someone. The max you can do is getting a friend to play with you, so you can perfect him and try to teach him something, but it wont last long. There are few fighting player who go on, I know none out of all my friends, and f*ck yeah, I give it my best trying to get players. The shortest we can go to play someone from the netplay community is like 1k km.. There are no arcades around where we can go and play/get people to like the game... actually there is one in my State, 350 km from here. So what you suggest me?
"Go in the weakends to this city and get a lot of people to play (magic), so they will buy PS2 and MB (sure they will) and you guys can go to each other cities and play (yeah sure)"
You guys have a community, congratz, so keep going strong as community, we from Brazil will always check your tourneys from here. But put in mind that YOU are what makes yours community strong, not the existence of a netplay tool: netplay tool are for those who cant play each other, for those who have no one to play or even for those who like to play some b4 sleeping or when wake up, etc... Don't blame in the world -who wants to play real players- the shitness of those who will stop playing live when they have netplay.
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Your input is well noted Christu and I hate to keep this discussion going since I said that I wasn't going to.
I honestly do sympathize with the people outside of American boundaries and beyond like EU and I do appreciate what you've been doing to help your respective communities. Most arguments here are geared towards people in the United States who have regionals and major tournaments for a game like this. The most I expect from people in Brazil, EU, and anywhere else outside of America is to support your own communities and keep US going strong. Now when I say this, I don't mean with your actual physical presence (if you can't afford it lol), but with your encouragement and support during times where we need it. An example would be if Evo asked for a poll for their 6th game or to watch big streams at tournaments when we have them. If you can stay hype for us, we stay hype for any community in need of it. When people in your regions see videos and streams and things of the like, curiosity will increase for your game. Even though you won't peak the masses curiosity (I don't expect you to), but atleast several people in your area will give it a try. No guarantee if they will keep at it, but if they do, that's good for them and you in the process since you are basically developing a scene.
Christu's mindset is exactly what we ask for the people outside of the United States. Support. Beyond what you make of your netplay or anything like that, take the time out and see what's good around Japan and America for MB. Keep staying persistent and hype about your game, even though it doesn't seem like you have a scene for it. I know I didn't, I live in Alabama. We now have 4 legit players including myself playing MB and could be many more here. Your city may be as sparse as Alabama (very very hard to top that), but never lose faith in it if you claim you love your game that much. Seriously, you gotta have a drive for it and if you actually have been trying and gave up, atleast stay active in the english speaking community and support!
Christu, I hope you find someone to play offline, if you don't, keep your words and actions to help the United States community to become better than we already are. I'm not saying that as if we are better than everyone in the world, but we are in need of help anywhere and everywhere we can right now. This is a time where the community can really level up in America and I believe it can.
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Most netplay rage is at guys who could play offline but don't.
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hey i have no one to play in my area.. AKA THAT DELAWHERE!!?
but i still travel around to get the best comp i can get
also FT: Ryougi LA won't be there...wonder if they'll fuck up the rekkas.. maybe a better overhead than 4C?
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Let's keep it on topic, like how the hardware is not going to be Naomi but Ringwide, which is an XP-embedded system that would make a PC port a closer reality than before.
RIP Naomi, the best arcade system. (along with Neo Geo)
On other thoughts, maybe they'd add in Lio for FT? It would fit in with the whole opposite versions for most a lot of chars they have running. KNK7 also just hit dvd.
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On other thoughts, maybe they'd add in Lio for FT?
Just what we need. More knifers. :emo:
Unless they made his fighting style hella different then the shiki's, i don't see the point. (though EX-Magijuana would be kinda lulzy)
If your gonna throw in another KnK character, make it touko or araya. (people with a possibility for a unique moveset compared to the rest of the cast. We dont have a puppet-user yet, and boundaries would be interesting if done right... :blah:)
Oh, and for gods sakes, FUCKING ARIHIKO. NEEDZ MOAR EX-MOTORCYCLE DAMIT.
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Okay, Okay No more fighting, no more fighting...
I have solved EVERYTHING
Now, through my ingenious engineering skills - NO ONE needs a PC Port for any reason.
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2842/img3402b.jpg)
Also, MBAAFT should probably have Magical Amber and Azaka as characters.
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hey i have no one to play in my area.. AKA THAT DELAWHERE!!?
but i still travel around to get the best comp i can get
also FT: Ryougi LA won't be there...wonder if they'll fuck up the rekkas.. maybe a better overhead than 4C?
Ryogi's last arc won't be in the arcade version?
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That keyboard pad made me happy (though I should buy an expensive stick and get better with it because stick is just... :blah:, I'm still most comfortable with keyboard atm).
Though it'd be interesting, I'd rather MBAA:FT not just have more different variations of the same characters if they add any.
Well, if they can manage to balance everything, as many new chars as possible would be nice.
I doubt's they're going to take out Ryougi's LA rather than fix it...
Keyboard Paaaad /want :fap: :fap: :fap:
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Possible new characters? Am I the only one who thought of Bazett? Another martial arts user to accompany Miyako and she already has a last arc possibility with Fragarach. Although, I doubt that would happen since she was in Fate Unlimited Codes.
@Komi: Something like this would work too. (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s227/rooremy/Picture004-2.jpg)
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No...No it doesn't...they both fail - I'm so ashamed ;_;
Staying on topic: Any other interesting TM characters we forgetting besides the other Tsukihime/obvious KnK and not fate that may be included? How likely is a new character anyway? I'm happy with some fixes.
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I'm not really looking for this game to add new characters. I'd much rather see them give characters like C-V.Sion and H-Wara more reason to be played. Seriously, fuck a seven frame 2A. Fuck it so much. What does H-Wara have that deserves to be counteracted with the slowest 2A in the game.
Seriously, improving unused characters is much more important than adding new ones. We have plenty of characters. Three styles for everybody + the sheer amount of characters we have as it is is more than enough, really. Fix up "useless" characters, then add more. Melty hardly needs more though.
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Keyboard Paaaad /want :fap: :fap: :fap:
No nebi, get ye a stick already; also go out and play the guys in WA since you actually have a scene there.
Possible new characters? Am I the only one who thought of Bazett? Another martial arts user to accompany Miyako and she already has a last arc possibility with Fragarach. Although, I doubt that would happen since she was in Fate Unlimited Codes.
@Komi: Something like this would work too. (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s227/rooremy/Picture004-2.jpg)
Capcom owns all videogame rights to F/SN IIRC; so that is never happening since ecole is in direct competition with capCOCK.
No...No it doesn't...they both fail - I'm so ashamed ;_;
Staying on topic: Any other interesting TM characters we forgetting besides the other Tsukihime/obvious KnK and not fate that may be included? How likely is a new character anyway? I'm happy with some fixes.
Junk
Gun god
ORT as extra boss :psyduck:
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Seifuku Akiha is much more useless and unneeded than some serious additions like Azaka or Magical Amber (tieing into the original melty story more). But yeah, I feel like more can be done with some characters. I think the design behind the F-characters flows better than the straightforward "this is your DP...this is your stow away...this is your projectile...this is your grab...this is your poke"-simple-style of crescent. In F (and in all styles of the new characters) they added in small mechanics and moves that make a bit more sense to each character, so the character has an overall feeling but keeping the same concept of the original crescent. Little things like the heart meter or lightning meter for the maids or Roa respectively were cool too. Not every character can make use of those certain things, but I think H is where I want to see more creativity.
It honestly feels like they just threw together H-characters. Basically moves from each F and C with like one single moveset change or individual characteristic with some modified frames (Atleast for most characters).
I think the problem MB faces and the reason they did the moons was because they wanted to change all the characters but wanted the old players to, for the most part, still have the characters they're familiar with. If they really want H to be a mix, they should have a separate option. Does anyone know if they really intended for an eclipse form of all the characters? I would like to see that finished.
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hey i have no one to play in my area.. AKA THAT DELAWHERE!!?
but i still travel around to get the best comp i can get
also FT: Ryougi LA won't be there...wonder if they'll fuck up the rekkas.. maybe a better overhead than 4C?
Ryogi's last arc won't be in the arcade version?
i meant being that damn powerful... and that glitch will prolly be gone..... my bad :'(
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Make F-Hisui not be a shitty gimmick plz.
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Making the "joke" characters even more legit would be awesome.
I would secondary Neco-Arc.
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ORT as extra boss :psyduck:
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oh please no. if archetype earth was somewhat broken, ORT should be beyond broken
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talking about beyond broken, they could make it such that ORT has got no hitbox (i.e. perma-invulnerability) and the only way to win is to run away from it until time up ;D
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talking about beyond broken, they could make it such that ORT has got no hitbox (i.e. perma-invulnerability) and the only way to win is to run away from it until time up ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeR3leKlM94
there are several reasons i quit mugen. This is one of them.
Please dont taint meltyblood with the fail. :emo:
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Whoa! Killer Falling Dog Damage! :O
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I'm not really looking for this game to add new characters. I'd much rather see them give characters like C-V.Sion and H-Wara more reason to be played. Seriously, fuck a seven frame 2A. Fuck it so much. What does H-Wara have that deserves to be counteracted with the slowest 2A in the game.
Seriously, improving unused characters is much more important than adding new ones. We have plenty of characters. Three styles for everybody + the sheer amount of characters we have as it is is more than enough, really. Fix up "useless" characters, then add more. Melty hardly needs more though.
At least they have 2As that hit low.
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Am I the only one who thinks Tohno SHIKI should be added? It makes more sense than adding more KnK/Fate characters.
Also buff the Necos and nerf AT Moon to make them tournament viable.
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Can Altrouge be a valid new character?
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Fuck a PC port and netplay, and fuck more new characters. This is not smash where we take as many possible characters from our favorite franchises and see them duke it out because it'd be an "epic battle". As benny said they need to make other characters more viable and basically balance the fucking game so that people actually have to think and try out to find out who they want to play instead of saying "hey i played this char in mbac and two of the grooves are useless so i'm set"
as for a pc port and netplay, it would greatly benefit the casuals and randoms and get a lot of people to try the game out for a little bit but it would fuck over the tournament scene and shaft those who are dedicated enough to travel and teach others to create comp in this game. It makes no fucking sense to reward those who have sat there and played the game occasionally at home and fuck over those who have more or less mained this game for years. And yes, this IS coming from someone who is $100 and a 10 hour bus ride away from NYC, and HAS made that trip. Want to know a game that was stuck on PC and had tons of netplay going on but little tournament attention? Akatsuki Blitzkampf. There you fucking go. Would you want to see MB turned into netplay and nothing else? Because if it does, it goes from a competitive fighting game to a way to kill some time. If you're in europe and are complaining about language barriers and waters to cross sorry but that's one of the MANY issues you should have had to deal with by now for living there, whether it was your choice or not. They are making this game for japan where players are more accessible and don't give a jack shit about europe or USA and we're lucky enough to have a ps2 port period because if they wanted they could release everything arcade only. end rant
the -best- thing that could happen for this game would be for the sprite quality to be improved and the game released, with netplay, on XBLA and PSN. that's really the only way to please everyone (and i mean everyone). and they probably recognize this too but i'm sure we all know that this isn't going to happen unfortunately
as for good things that will come of MBAA:FT, anyone who plays a console only character will finally get their characters explored by real players so that everyone can just X-COPY them rather than struggling to create playstyle, setups, mixups, pressure strings, etc completely on their own. their also might be some slight tier shifts and some use of other characters (who are low tier) since there were quite a number of minor changes to more than a few characters to balance out some genuinely broken things (like that one akiha AD setup).
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why so srs?
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I play mb on netplay every day, guilty gear every week or so, and MBAA every 2 monthes, but MB AC is less competitive than the other two, because it's netplay ?
Sure.
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I play mb on netplay every day, guilty gear every week or so, and MBAA every 2 monthes, but MB AC is less competitive than the other two, because it's netplay ?
Sure.
casual netplay games with input lag and no tourney pressure are not competitive matches.
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I did your NEC trip S-Blade and I still want my netplay. Now wut?!
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It makes no fucking sens to wish for the game to be played by less people, regardless of their levels or degrees of commitment, or to think that the netplay cant help the overall level when the time for a RL tournament come. I also concur on the "why so srs" motion. This coming from someone who commuted 4 hours today to play some mbaa.
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Look, the PS2 ports of this game have brought in more people then the PC ports ever did. An absurd amount more. It's done more for the community then the PC ports ever did as well. Outside of the given spots where MB had always been a mainstay (NYC and parts of WC) noone ever really bothered to lug a PC or laptop to a tournament to play the game when that was it's only option, and outside of EVO and NEC, no tournament held the game either, but now some tournaments in this day of SF4 revitalization are bothering to give the game a chance again. Frosty Faustings is a prime example of that. I don't think Shinblanka would give us a chance if we suddenly told him we'd need enough spaces for four gaming rigs and enough electrical outlets to power Madagascar for a week.
If this community continued to get larger, and got more attention, and a PC port came out with whatever that made the PS2 port obsolete, it would fuck everything up. Hard. Just the notion that some people would never even bother joining the community outside of their monitor, no matter what it took just kills me, and I don't want that to happen again. I knew a huge amount of people within perfectly acceptable traveling distance that wouldn't get into the community because they'd rather just netplay. Ugh.
Let's just work with what we've got now and stop whining and moaning for a port when we've already got one. Please.
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Only reason I'd be cool with a PC port would be just to play it on the go, like on a road trip. Otherwise its much better to get together with a group of people and play on the big screen.
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I play mb on netplay every day, guilty gear every week or so, and MBAA every 2 monthes, but MB AC is less competitive than the other two, because it's netplay ?
Sure.
casual netplay games with input lag and no tourney pressure are not competitive matches.
Lag barely make a game less competitive, people playing it definitely make it more competitive. Our offline sessions would never had happenned save the daily netplay. The game wasnt played at all before MBAC PC.
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Are we actually still talking about this. . . ?
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*looks at title*
*reads thread*
*sigh*
I'm just waiting to see what balances they're making. Mainly to console characters like Ryougi and SAkiha.
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Am I the only one who thinks Tohno SHIKI should be added? It makes more sense than adding more KnK/Fate characters.
Also buff the Necos and nerf AT Moon to make them tournament viable.
I don't know much about TM, so I'll just ask - what do you mean by adding Tohno SHIKI? Are you making a joke because he isn't being played much, or is there another I don't know about? ???
Also buffing Necos would be kinda hilarious, like watching Dan become usable in SVC:Chaos. :V But then winning with one wouldn't have the same impact.
And fuck AT Moon. Only way it would be worth making her usable is if they actually, idk, MADE UNIQUE SPRITES for her. Just saying.
(BTW I know it's been forever since I posted here, but I'm Big:Sexy. I changed my name because Lolisauce was convinced this was more appropriate. Yomi fail ftl. :emo:)
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Am I the only one who thinks Tohno SHIKI should be added? It makes more sense than adding more KnK/Fate characters.
Also buff the Necos and nerf AT Moon to make them tournament viable.
I don't know much about TM, so I'll just ask - what do you mean by adding Tohno SHIKI? Are you making a joke because he isn't being played much, or is there another I don't know about? ???
Also buffing Necos would be kinda hilarious, like watching Dan become usable in SVC:Chaos. :V But then winning with one wouldn't have the same impact.
And fuck AT Moon. Only way it would be worth making her usable is if they actually, idk, MADE UNIQUE SPRITES for her. Just saying.
(BTW I know it's been forever since I posted here, but I'm Big:Sexy. I changed my name because Lolisauce was convinced this was more appropriate. Yomi fail ftl. :emo:)
Yo, good to see you actually post. Looks like my harping on you finally sunk in a little. I don't think anyone will know you from before due to your COMPLETE LACK OF ACTIVITY FOR LIKE A YEAR.
SHIKI is a different person than Shiki. You can't tell the difference in names due to the japanese spelling being different but still being pronounced the same. SHIKI is the real Tohno Shiki, with demon blood and possessed by Roa. Shiki is the lighter side of Tohno Nanaya. (btw, Tohno Shiki in MBAA is buff now, as much as I make fun of him for his gimpy airdash. He gets mad play in Japan.)
Also fuck the jokes and the brokes. Necos and AT:Earth are dumb. All I care about is what balancing changes they will inevitably make. (cuz really, I doubt they're going to be adding in more shit at this stage)
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Ah so it's ok to talk about the PC port as long as you cry about it and make chicken little "The sky is falling" predictions about it, that's cool.
Also I think viable Necos would be cool, nothing like seeing Neco Chaos on his bird super with the lazer eyes fighting on par with everyone else.
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I doubt Archetype:Earth would be made into a tournament-legit character, imo she's just a nod to Crimson Moon's omgwtfhax power ranking in Nasuverse.
Anyway, even if they did make her tournament-legit, I shudder to think of the possibility that she will be nerfed to D-tier, it would make her a total joke being the strongest canon-wise and the weakest gameplay-wise :emo:
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Are we actually still talking about this. . . ?
:mystery:
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only TOP PLAYERS have a right to talk.
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this thread is stupid.
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Hay mauve can u make a netplay for my toast?
Thx, here is the toast!
(http://www.countryliving.com/cm/countryliving/images/egg-toast-ABFOOD0906-de.jpg)
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Hey look, its THIS thread again. *Opinions*
Veterans who have put effort into traveling: Netplay kills the scene, a port to an ancient console will surely help the scene and attract more players than playing over the internet!
Casuals: I demand scrub netplay! Matches with lag and keyboards are true competition!
People who only care about playing the game: I like both.
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Hey look, its THIS thread again. *Opinions*
Veterans who have put effort into traveling: Netplay kills the scene, a port to an ancient console will surely help the scene and attract more players than playing over the internet!
Casuals: I demand scrub netplay! Matches with lag and keyboards are true competition!
People who only care about playing the game: I like both.
pretty much this.
and i'm the one who's getting jerked around back and forth because of it, as i'm one of the only two competent enough hackers that can do anything regarding netplay around here.
and, y'know? i'm a lot sick of dealing with all sorts of dumb scene politics just so i can play a fucking game. i don't give a fuck about the scene or the scrubs, or complaints about how serious you are or aren't. i just want to play, and i know there are others who look at this crap with equal frustration.
the best part about this thread is that nobody even knows if there will be a pc version. if you guys cause this much drama over speculative bullshit i can't even imagine what kind of shitstorms will pop up if it ever does exist. i sincerely doubt ecole is going to decide whether or not to make one based on the opinions of some people in a market that they don't even sell to, who probably won't even buy the game.
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Hmm is there any actual info about what changes they're making?
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Nothing official. All there is to it is that its supposedly the PS2 version on arcade cabs (all characters minus AT:E) with a few minor changes, hopefully to make lesser known characters and character/moon who fade in the shadow of better moon (i.e. C and H-VSion) a little more solid and unique. I don't expect any new characters, since they're adding all of the console ones and that's about 5-6 new ones for the arcade.
In other news: Ya'll niggas crazy. Sup MK.
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the best part of this thread is that neither side is hitting the real issue.
pc advocates want the game on pc because: 1) they want to pirate the game in an easier way and 2) there's a chance for netplay instead of none at all.
console advocates want the game on console because: 1) it's easier to run at events and 2) there's this widespread notion that netplay kills scenes.
if your scene dies because it's reduced to netplay only, it wasn't a strong scene to begin with. netplay has only a minor effect on actual numbers. the dedicated players will still show. the netplayers will still stay home. only a few will turn down an event to stay home and netplay, and only a few will work up the effort required to travel. both sides have legit reasons for what they do.
the console mbac players mostly remember what happened to the tourney scene when pc came out and associated netplay with killing the community. while that may partially be true the plain fact is pc is harder to set up and maintain at events, and less accepted by other communities, and in the long run this plus a gradual lack of interest was what killed the competitive mbac scene.
the tourney players don't want a repeat of this to happen to mbaa which is why there has been a lot of kneejerk reactions to a pc version. however, none of the speculation matters because nothing has been announced. it would certainly make sense and seem logical judging by the hardware they're using but right now 95% of this thread is a bunch of crying over absolutely nothing.
also, while people in europe (who constitute most of the people mocking the oconsole players) have a legitimate reason to ask for netplay, some of them would do well to remember: netplay is not real competition in the fighting game genre. playing casual matches with a friend daily means nothing. playing a game daily when the top players have left it behind means nothing. real competition comes when people still have the desire to level up and get past the netplay to experience tourney pressure when there's actual stakes involved. mbac stopped being competitive a while ago, so please don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.
in the end neither side is going to agree with the other. the console players are still going to cast netplayers as lazy bums who don't want to travel (when that is not always true), and pc players will still mock the offline players who think their way is the only way. just remember that netplay can help a scene but it is not the way communities can be maintained. the offline players still need to represent and push the envelope. netplay can be a tool towards becoming a better player, but it should not be confused as the only way a game should be played. similarly, the netplayers need to understand that some people have more accessibility than they do and are willing to go further than the monitor, and that effort should be seen as a step towards improving the scene and the game's presence instead of derided.
and remember there's no pc version announced yet. jesus christ. stop overreacting.
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Yes, excellent summarization. I hope this will finally put the nail in the coffin for netplay vs console play discussion, and we can continue focusing onto Final Tuned news and gossip.
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This thread feels like deja vu.
Can't we all just enjoy the port we're playing right now?
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and i'm the one who's getting jerked around back and forth because of it, as i'm one of the only two competent enough hackers that can do anything regarding netplay around here.
and, y'know? i'm a lot sick of dealing with all sorts of dumb scene politics just so i can play a fucking game.
Are people really giving you shit over this? Really? PM me any details if you want to see some retribution handed out; that's just ridiculous.
Can't we all just enjoy the port we're playing right now?
People enjoy playing fighting games?
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Congratulations, you killed the thread with that.
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