spamming projectiles, cheap tactics?

[hideo]

OK. So I was introduced to MBAC recently by a friend of mine, so apparently he's quite good at it and we played for a few rounds. So I was using ciel, and my friend was using akiha.. and since i was a total newbie at that time, i only learned like 5-6 moves(mostly were projectiles) and i just SPAMMED the shit onto him.... funny, it worked! lol, i manage to beat him a few times with such tactics. Well, it seems he wasnt so pleased, called my tactics "cheap, dumb, etc.", you get the idea. So we pretty much argued over it, and I started to play againts his friends, using the same so called "cheap" tactics, i manage to triumph a few more times... and again i was called cheap  . I have nothing against them really, they're all quite good players, know their combos and stuff... BUT SERIOUSLY, how long have these guys played video games? As far as i understand, if there's a move in a fighting game you can spam a single move in order to win, then spam it.. there's no law that says you cant.
So over time, he came to understand that.. but he still argued my tactics we're cheap since we were playing over the net(lags, delays, etc.).
To his understanding, since projectiles are easier to pull off during a laggy game(say 150-180ms) compared to combo strings, projectiles are still considered "cheap" to be used in netplay. He's basically trying to say, "Other than doing hard-to-perform-l33t-comboz , all other tactics are cheap in netplay".
 So this is my question for you MB vets out there, Is spamming projectiles during a net game considered to be cheap?.

If you ask me, my pal here is just being a scrub, combos are important.. true, but that doesnt mean other single special attacks(liek projectiles!) arent valid tactics. But of course, this is MBAC(im a newb lol).. and we're playing over the net.. so you guys tell me, is it cheap? 

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[motoh]

If he's losing to projectiles, he deserves to lose to projectiles.  If he's losing to technical play, he deserves... etc.

This game's freedom of movement takes a LOT out of the usefulness of projectiles.  If he's having trouble with them, he needs to change his approach.

~M

[hideo]

So what about his argument on the game being laggy? Even as a newbie, i could see how easily it actually is to counter my strategy(jump, dash, block) despite the split second delay in input. so does being in a game of 150ms-180ms latency make it any diferent? I've played through a lot of fighting games, this is the first time i got such a feedback(4 people calling me cheap).

[motoh]

with the new MBcaster, lag really shouldn't be affecting you that much, but to throw back to ReAct's laghell nightmare, you did what you could through the mud.  If he can't counter it, he still needs a new tactic.

(The above may be taken at face value of talking out of my ass, you could be godlike with projectiles.)

~M

[Alfonse]

For reference's sake, I'll list out all the chars with a projectile.

Ciel's daggers
Aoko's photon beam of doom and her starmines
Nero Chaos crows
Neko Arc/Neko Arc Chaos eye beams
Sion's warning shots (Does it qualify as a projectile?)
Red Arcueid's blood rings
Hisui's flying vases
Kohaku's amber missiles
Hisui's laser beams

Most of the projectiles are easily dodged one way or another, and they're all blockable. Your friend is probably charging into the fray like a madman most of the time, allowing the projectile to eat him alive.

[Devereaux]

He needs to Learn how to Shield, Block, Jump, and/or Dodge. Also, you can't really blame lag for being unable to press and hold back on a stick/pad/keyboard.

[Boku]

A message for your friend:
l2parry.

[Harem]

in b4 Sirlin

[Satsujinki]

lol in b4 your friend learns nero JC

[Arlieth Tralare]

Were you guys ONLY playing netplay, or some IRL games too?

[Alt]

If he loses to projectile spam your friend is not "quite good". Unless you're smart with them projectiles have a tendency to get you massacred in MB.

[COD3player]

The word "cheap" should never exist in any intelligent and competitive player's vocabulary.

And for Christ's sake, this is MB, not ST. There are a variety of mobility options in the game so projectile spam should be the least of anyone's problems.

[mizuki]

Go back to playing SF2 WW at 7-11 you scrub.

[magz]

If he loses to projectile spam your friend is not "quite good". Unless you're smart with them projectiles have a tendency to get you massacred in MB.

[Lolly]

keep on throwing dem knives homie. your friend needs to QQ less

[Kelong]

can i throw some projectiles at your friend too?

It's like giving you a loaded gun and telling you to smack people with the butt instead of squeezing the trigger coz squeezing the trigger usually results in a 1 hit kill, which is cheap 

[Last Elixir⑨]

no

[ehrik]

Being quite good doesn't necessarily mean that they only have to know combos. They need to know how to avoid and counter attacks in the game.

If there was a percentage on how important combos were in this game I'd give it like a 30%

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

Keep throwing those knives and force him to get around it. If he's not getting around it its better that you help him figure it out because he's not a very good player.

[mrpinoy]

keep spamming those projectiles

i was having a similar argument in this small ass convention here in PA(Zenkaikon) not worth the 20$ unless your gona win a tournament

anyways they were arguing how itachi in NGNT4 is just all j.A and that its very cheap... which is easily dodged with just a side step then just run up to them and then do a attack

you got to do what you got to do to win

oh and ofcourse they banned him...even tho their was no one to ban cause the idiots at the con didnt even have a memory card for the game

[FireBearHero]

You shouldn't just spam projectiles- for your own sake.
Your friend is gonna learn to shield and fill his circuit and abuse your anus with his MAX circuit EX spam.
Then again you can't time shields on netplay unless you're close enough to be playing on the same machine with the person anyway so bombs away stud. Your friend is the scrub bulbasaur.

On a semi-related note Immaterial and Missing Power's grazing is win.

[Draku]

Then again you can't time shields on netplay unless you're close enough to be playing on the same machine with the person anyway so bombs away stud.

Uh, yeah you can. Its not hard at all, actually. (Referring to the "close" thing, I mean you can do it at long distances between players)

[Irovax]

I think it falls under both the "Trial by fire" and "If it works, don't fix it" sayings.

Admittedly, 150 ping makes EX-Shielding fairly difficult. Shielding is still easy enough, though.

However, I think the problem lies with him. Not just that he can't block, but that he can't change. Change tactics ((stay above the reach of the Keys, maybe flame pit-ing you to get you to move around, as one example, if he continues to refuse to block)), or better yet, change characters. Let him use Ciel, and hopefully, since you know her, beat him even if HE Key's.

[Draku]

Admittedly, 150 ping makes EX-Shielding fairly difficult. Shielding is still easy enough, though.

Yeah, but anyone getting that kinda ping has to be playing someone in like, another country. I've never gone above 100 when playing people across the US.

[FireBearHero]

Admittedly, 150 ping makes EX-Shielding fairly difficult. Shielding is still easy enough, though.

Yeah, but anyone getting that kinda ping has to be playing someone in like, another country. I've never gone above 100 when playing people across the US.

I tried netplay with somebody down the street (we both have 5mb/s) and it was still horrendous.
There wasn't so much a general delay, so much as diagonal directions seemed to take forever to be recognized.