Tier List

[S-Blade]

[21:27] <sekuwrite> these are agreed upon by like
[21:27] <sekuwrite> the entire mbac bbs

here we go

S: Sion, Len, Ciel, Warc, Miyako, Akiha
A: Hisui, Kouma, V.Sion, Mech-Hisui
B: V.Akiha, Arc, Aoko, Nanaya, Tohno, Nero, Satsuki, Maids
C: Kohaku, Wara, W.Len
Nekos

Thanks hellmonkey for retrieving this...twice and putting up with our bullshit of you translating it and us yelling at you in disagreement even though you weren't the one who made it.

Now bicker and complain amongst yourselves and how much you disagree with this list.

EDIT: Keep in mind that this tier list assumes you're playing your character at the best of its ability. If this tier list were an "easiest to learn" kind of tier list, Ciel would be first by a huge margin and Nero and Aoko would go down a tier.

EDIT may28,08:

sekuhara: S:Ciel(83)Len(81)Sion(77)Warc(77)
sekuhara: A:Miyako(69)Akiha(67)Mecha(66)Kouma(59)Hisui(58)Nero(53)
sekuhara: B:Vsion(47)Nanaya(44)Arc(43)Satsuki(40)Aoko(39)vakiha(35)
sekuhara: C:Hisukoha(26)Tohno(26)Wara(24)wlen(24)kohaku(23)
sekuhara: characters were rated from S(4 points) to C(1 point) by all of the top players

supposedly revised from the same place (i.e. some popular japan bbs)

[c-nero 5[c]]

[21:27] <sekuwrite> these are agreed upon by like
[21:27] <sekuwrite> the entire mbac bbs

here we go

S: Sion, Len, Ciel, Warc, Miyako, Akiha
A: Hisui, Kouma, V.Sion, Mech-Hisui
B: V.Akiha, Arc, Aoko, Nanaya, Tohno, Nero, Satsuki, Maids
C: Kohaku, Wara, W.Len
Nekos

Thanks hellmonkey for retrieving this...twice and putting up with our bullshit of you translating it and us yelling at you in disagreement even though you weren't the one who made it.

Now bicker and complain amongst yourselves and how much you disagree with this list.

Len? Miyako? Warc? How are any of those 3 top tier? Warc has pretty terrible pressure. She's A at best. Miyako being above B is being very optimistic. Len is probably A. Aoko, Arc, and Satsuki should all go up a tier. Other than that I pretty much agree,

[Lord Knight]

In Korea, Warc is considered S? :O

[mizuki]

I'll be watching this thread. Don't make me lock ANOTHER tier list thread.

[AARP|ZTB]

lol miyako is such a beast. I think I'll drop aoko for her now.......

=/

[Numakie]

Kohaku? C? pssh... i guess ill have to bump her up then ;3

[asdfqwer]

In Korea, Warc is considered S? :O

Yeah, there is a saying "then just use warc and stfu" that is used whenever somebody complains about their character's weaknesses, their character's matchups, or their skill in general in Korea. As there are few or no competitive sion players in Korea, warc boasts the most amount of competitive players, highest showing in the high brackets of tournaments, and is the primary subject of the I-Lost-Only-Because-Your-Character-Is-Better-Than-Mine comment.

[Lord Knight]

Ah, I see. That's pretty interesting.

I also don't think Miyako is S tier. V Sion as A tier is a bit  , and V Akiha's like bottom of A (but top of B is pretty much the same thing, but w/e). Then again the only one who's actually winning with her over there is Hato anyways.  :'( Akiha's position is iffy to me too.

[Raoh Punches Faces]

its very interesting seeing the tiers for different regions

[COD3player]

EDIT: Keep in mind that this tier list assumes you're playing your character at the best of its ability. If this tier list were an "easiest to learn" kind of tier list, Ciel would be first by a huge margin and Nero and Aoko would go down a tier.

I don't quite agree with this statement. Just because Ciel isn't hard to use doesn't mean that EVERYONE else is harder to use than her. Melty Blood is a very pick-up-and-play friendly game. I'm going to put up my flame shield since I get the feeling I'll take some heat for this. But keep in mind that I'm saying this from an objective standpoint and that I'm not trying to ignite some stupid war among fanboys, and that I'm also not someone who picked this game up over the course of the past month.

[Pfhor]

There is a valid argument for each of those characters, and I'd assume the japanese players know more about this game than I do. However, for the sake of theory fighting, which I find enjoyable, I'll give my input as to what I think the tiers are, in horizontal order as well.

S: Sion, Akiha, Len, Ciel
A: Aoko, Kouma, Mecha, Hisui, Sacchin, Hisui, Warc, Nanaya, Vakiha
B: Miyako, Arc, Maids (Kohaku lead), V.Sion, Tohno, Nero
C: Kohaku, w.Len, Maids (Hisui lead), Wara
Neco's

I feel it's necessary to separate Hisko and Kosui as they are basically different characters. All the S, A, B characters are very close together compared to tier lists of other games, with only the C and D characters having a universal disadvantage in most matchups. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm very happy with Melty's balance as a fighting game.

[S-Blade]

EDIT: Keep in mind that this tier list assumes you're playing your character at the best of its ability. If this tier list were an "easiest to learn" kind of tier list, Ciel would be first by a huge margin and Nero and Aoko would go down a tier.

I don't quite agree with this statement. Just because Ciel isn't hard to use doesn't mean that EVERYONE else is harder to use than her. Melty Blood is a very pick-up-and-play friendly game. I'm going to put up my flame shield since I get the feeling I'll take some heat for this. But keep in mind that I'm saying this from an objective standpoint and that I'm not trying to ignite some stupid war among fanboys, and that I'm also not someone who picked this game up over the course of the past month.

I'll admit that the example might have been bad. I was only trying to show that there'd be a clear difference between characters whose potentials are easier to fulfill and characters who are better if you play them at their fulfilled potential.

[Spirit Juice]

I think it's safe to say that the tier list is accurate, given the source is Japan and its agreed upon by a lot of MBAC BBS.  To my knowledge, tier lists such as these have no order from best to worst, other than whatever tier they fall into.  For example, Sion being first in S tier does not mean she's the best of all the S tier characters.  If anything, it means that all the S tier characters have even match ups with one another, and have favorable match ups with anyone below them in tiers (in most cases).

MBAC v. B has been out for how long now?  Over a year?  And it's life will continue until AA comes out sometime later this year, but even then it'll be focused on until after Tougeki.  The game has been out for a while, and the potential for each character has likely been tapped for each character in Japan.

[c-nero 5[c]]

I really don't get all the shit about wlen being low tier. Her mixup and pressure game are both superior to Len's, and although the dash is a criplling factor her amazingly bullshit EX command throw more than makes up for it. Trhoughout 2008 hopefully we'll see more and more established wlen players who can get some good results in.

[LoliSauce]

I really don't get all the shit about wlen being low tier. Her mixup and pressure game are both superior to Len's, and although the dash is a criplling factor her amazingly bullshit EX command throw more than makes up for it. Trhoughout 2008 hopefully we'll see more and more established wlen players who can get some good results in.

She takes damage like a bitch and doesn't have very good mobility.  Her aerial attacks have super low range and her damage output isn't really amazing either.  Also to get the most out of her normals, the good ones need to be charged.  =\  All of this made her really hard for me to play.

Anyways, I am pretty surprised (as are many, it seems) that Miyako is as high tier as she is while Arc is that low.  I guess I can see Miyako being kind of high with her corner game being so stellar and being able to combo off of throws...but really, S tier?  =\  I dunno bout that.

[Pfhor]

She takes damage like a bitch and doesn't have very good mobility.  Her aerial attacks have super low range and her damage output isn't really amazing either.  Also to get the most out of her normals, the good ones need to be charged.  =\  All of this made her really hard for me to play.

Anyways, I am pretty surprised (as are many, it seems) that Miyako is as high tier as she is while Arc is that low.  I guess I can see Miyako being kind of high with her corner game being so stellar and being able to combo off of throws...but really, S tier?  =\  I dunno bout that.

White Len has the 3rd highest defense in the game, so taking damage isn't a problem. I think the only thing that is keeping her from being higher is her (as you said) short ranged and not too spectacular air attacks in a game where air superiority is very important. Once she knocks down she has plenty of options, the problem is getting that knockdown. I do hope to see a highly skilled White Len that uses her to her full potential that maybe I don't see.

As far as Miyako goes, I can understand the argument. Her ONLY weakness is her short range. She more than makes up for it with her high priority moves (especially her air attacks which basically beat everything in the game if used properly), high damage output, stupid fast movement, seemless and staggerable corner pressure strings, the ability to combo off of throw at anywhere on the screen, and some other shit I don't know of.

[LoliSauce]

She takes damage like a bitch and doesn't have very good mobility.  Her aerial attacks have super low range and her damage output isn't really amazing either.  Also to get the most out of her normals, the good ones need to be charged.  =\  All of this made her really hard for me to play.

Anyways, I am pretty surprised (as are many, it seems) that Miyako is as high tier as she is while Arc is that low.  I guess I can see Miyako being kind of high with her corner game being so stellar and being able to combo off of throws...but really, S tier?  =\  I dunno bout that.

White Len has the 3rd highest defense in the game, so taking damage isn't a problem. I think the only thing that is keeping her from being higher is her (as you said) short ranged and not too spectacular air attacks in a game where air superiority is very important. Once she knocks down she has plenty of options, the problem is getting that knockdown. I do hope to see a highly skilled White Len that uses her to her full potential that maybe I don't see.

As far as Miyako goes, I can understand the argument. Her ONLY weakness is her short range. She more than makes up for it with her high priority moves (especially her air attacks which basically beat everything in the game if used properly), high damage output, stupid fast movement, seemless and staggerable corner pressure strings, the ability to combo off of throw at anywhere on the screen, and some other shit I don't know of.

Oh, my bad on the defense mistake.  For some reason I got mixed up and thought she was low on defense.    But yeah, mainly her weak air game and awkward mobility made her really hard for me to try playing.

[Spirit Juice]

I really don't get all the shit about wlen being low tier. Her mixup and pressure game are both superior to Len's, and although the dash is a criplling factor her amazingly bullshit EX command throw more than makes up for it. Trhoughout 2008 hopefully we'll see more and more established wlen players who can get some good results in.

I don't see how her command grab is bullshit.  100% meter for 1500ish damage doesn't seem worth it to me at all. 

[AkiraTheMastodon]

I really don't get all the shit about wlen being low tier. Her mixup and pressure game are both superior to Len's, and although the dash is a criplling factor her amazingly bullshit EX command throw more than makes up for it. Trhoughout 2008 hopefully we'll see more and more established wlen players who can get some good results in.

I don't see how her command grab is bullshit.  100% meter for 1500ish damage doesn't seem worth it to me at all. 

The reach.

[c-nero 5[c]]

I really don't get all the shit about wlen being low tier. Her mixup and pressure game are both superior to Len's, and although the dash is a criplling factor her amazingly bullshit EX command throw more than makes up for it. Trhoughout 2008 hopefully we'll see more and more established wlen players who can get some good results in.

I don't see how her command grab is bullshit.  100% meter for 1500ish damage doesn't seem worth it to me at all. 

Uh, she can make 3k off it and get a good oki setup, or 4k raw damage. Watch more recent wlen matches.

[Sp00ky]

You have to keep in mind japanese base tiers on current styles of play for characters, not their potential.

Sure wlen at full potential might be better than some of the characters tiered above her (especially wara who just sucks) but none of the wlen players play her at that potential yet. This is the same reason kouma and aoko were considered garbage tier when version a was out for a while before moving up significantly as more people found stuff with those characters.

[Frostbolt]

Reckon if theirs a point to a EU Tierlist? =/

[mizuki]

Reckon if theirs a point to a EU Tierlist? =/

Nothing stopping you, It might add to the conversation.

[Veleon]

I have a quick question. I big is the difference in the teirs. Like is the difference between an A and a S so big that it would cause the S player to win even though the A player is considered better in skills? I have never really been on the fighting game scene too much before I started playing MBAC.

[Frostbolt]

Honestly I dont think so, Because theres theres Vsions that will kick my face in but im higher in tiers

EU tierlist looks like im gonna ask the crew