Tier List

[HeartNana]

That chart is great, you get to see diff opinions from the top players regarding their characters and matchups.

I just find it funny how the guy who won SBO pretty much has the lowest score out there listed for Satsuki.

If we go by that list, Ciel is #1, Warc #2, Sion #3, Hisui #4, Len #5

Crazy.

Sled:
the order is:
Sion
V.Sion
Ciel
Arc
Warc
Akiha
V.Akiha
Hisui
Kohaku
Hisui/Kohaku
Mech Hisui
Shiki
Nanaya
Miyako
Nrvnqsr
Warakia
Satsuki
Len
Aoko
Kouma
White Len

[Sledeau]

Thanks!

[Psylocke]

Here's the player names romanized, from top to bottom
Sion-kubo, TTK
VSion-THER, Wagu
Ciel-niya, kazuyaki
Arc-You, SII
Warc-tsujisosu, Leo
Akiha-Yukinose, tei-ru
V. Akiha-Hato, Kou
Hisui-Jin, Mr. Protoprahe
Kohaku-Tashiro, fankyu-
Hisui&Kohaku-Messhii, Chigami
Mech Hisui-Nemutora
Shiki Tohno-Doremifadeguchi, Shiki
Nanaya-ILS, Taka
Miyako-Kanna, Mirumirumiruki-
Nero-Bubu, Luckystar, SAT
Wara-Donguri, RYU
Satsuki-Otoyume nyan, hagi, Denpa
Ren-Yoshino, Shuu
Aoko-Wizu, Oba, Gintoki, Jeffrey Manson@Ero, ShonenA
Kouma-Nidaime Soutou D, Kaimato
White Ren-Shiro, Wizu

[Harem]

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5539/tierlistmaybecopyvb9.jpg

[Dipstick]

I HAS A TIER LIST!

Sourced from my penis.

S: Ciel, R.Arc
A: Len, Sion, M-Hisui, Miyako
B: Hisui, V.Akiha, Nanaya, Akiha
Aoko: Aoko
C: Wala Kouma Shiki Nero V.Sion KohaHisu
Arc Kohaku
E: W.Len Satsuki

Actually this is based on something, but I'm too lazy to finish it up and put up the full results. This is just preliminary results.

[Dragonthorn]

Just goes to show how tiers don't have a huge significance in this game, which is a testament to the game design. You can win with any char (well, maybe not the Nekos).

[linalys]

I'm so printing out this chart and taking it to WTX so I can tier matchup whore the entire tournament.   

[mizuki]

I'm so printing out this chart and taking it to WTX so I can tier matchup whore the entire tournament.   

Lol, this'll be fun.

[Sledeau]

I'm so printing out this chart and taking it to WTX so I can tier matchup whore the entire tournament.   

Just stick with Ciel, Red Arc, or Sion only and you'll be a counter to everybody!

[linalys]

Just stick with Ciel, Red Arc, or Sion only and you'll be a counter to everybody!

You're TOTALLY missing the point! 

[Mailorder]

what is aoko tier

[S-Blade]

Aoko supposedly comes in at +-0 from whatever values Dippy calculated for everyone, making her the middle/neutral.

IMO the tier list works a lot better than the created match-up-tier-list from this chart that Dippy made for us, but because of what people see as a "tier list" and what it means, but even MORE so from how many discrepancies are present in this list, even though its coming from the opinions of top players. Just compare a character's row and a character's column and you'll see.

[FireBearHero]

what is aoko tier

GOD. Just practice and you'll see what I mean.

[Mailorder]

what is aoko tier

GOD. Just practice and you'll see what I mean.

what?

[Chie Satonaka]

what is aoko tier

GOD. Just practice and you'll see what I mean.

what?

I don't get it either 

[Zaelar]

You have a lot of time to set up orbs in training mode.

Her lack of damage also doesn't matter since the dummy regens to full anyway.

The dummy also never blocks her overheads, unless you set it to block them, in which case she has one of the combooffable grabs in the game.

[Arlieth Tralare]

Hey, I'm working on a spreadsheet that recalculates averages for the matchups from the tier list. I'll post results soon.

[Arlieth Tralare]

Here's the X(Wins) Averaged Tier List:

Ciel   14.75   2.44   S
Red Arc   12.25   2.02   S
Sion   8.75   1.45   A+
Ren   7.75   1.28   A
Hisui   6.75   1.12   A
M.Hisui   6.50   1.07   A-
V.Akiha   4.50   0.74   B+
Kouma   4.25   0.70   B+
Miyako   3.00   0.50   B
Akiha   2.00   0.33   B-
Warakia   1.50   0.25   B-
Aoko   1.50   0.25   B-
Nanaya   1.25   0.21   B-
Nero   -0.50   -0.08   C+
T.Shiki   -0.75   -0.12   C+
V.Sion   -1.50   -0.25   C
HisuKoha   -2.00   -0.33   C
Arcueid   -3.00   -0.50   C-
Kohaku   -4.50   -0.74   C-
W.Ren   -13.00   -2.15   D+
Satsuki   -15.50   -2.56   D

Y (Losses) Tier List: (REALLY weird results)
Ciel   -11.77   -1.88   S
Red Arc   -10.5   -1.68   S
Ren   -9.12   -1.46   S-
Miyako   -5.32   -0.85   A+
M.Hisui   -4.1   -0.65   A
Sion   -3.92   -0.63   A
Nanaya   -3.08   -0.49   A-
Akiha   -0.53   -0.08   B+
V.Akiha   -0.42   -0.07   B+
Hisui   0.95   0.15   B
Aoko   1.33   0.21   B
V.Sion   2.38   0.38   B-
Nero   3.13   0.50   C+
HisuKoha   4.23   0.68   C+
Warakia   4.33   0.69   C+
T.Shiki   5.63   0.90   C-
Kouma   6.78   1.08   D+
Arcueid   7.42   1.18   D+
Kohaku   9.15   1.46   D
W.Ren   17.85   2.85   D-
Satsuki   19.55   3.12   D-

XY (Averaged) Tier List:
Ciel   26.52   2.15   S
Red Arc   22.75   1.85   S
Ren   16.87   1.37   A
Sion   12.67   1.03   A
M.Hisui   10.6   0.86   A-
Miyako   8.32   0.68   B+
Hisui   5.8   0.47   B
V.Akiha   4.92   0.40   B
Nanaya   4.33   0.35   B
Akiha   2.53   0.21   B
Aoko   0.17   0.01   B-
Kouma   -2.53   -0.21   C+
Warakia   -2.83   -0.23   C+
Nero   -3.63   -0.29   C+
V.Sion   -3.88   -0.32   C+
HisuKoha   -6.23   -0.51   C
T.Shiki   -6.38   -0.52   C
Arcueid   -10.42   -0.85   C-
Kohaku   -13.65   -1.11   D+
W.Ren   -30.85   -2.51   D
Satsuki   -35.05   -2.85   D-


PS: I filled in blanks with the best guess (i.e.: if one person was missing W.Len stat, then I filled it in with the other). Therefore, my numbers may be slightly different than Duppy's.

[asdfqwer]

Noooo Sacchin! :'( :'( :'(

[Sledeau]

Isn't it sad, Sacchin?

[Arlieth Tralare]

at Evo, I'd like to do round-robin matchups with the best players of characters to make our own, but it might take too long

[mizuki]

Lol damn. But man I play White Len and Kohaku. Thanks japan.

[S-Blade]

at Evo, I'd like to do round-robin matchups with the best players of characters to make our own, but it might take too long

Nah arly, you should totally do it.

But you'd have to do it like....shit....out of 30 at least to get good numbers. And that's really tiring.

Other option could be to just ask each one of those players like this magazine did

[Soniti]

I suppose having the two top players of each character doing a FT5 against each other character might suffice. Would take a really long time though.

[linalys]

It'd only work with Kijea/Nerina level players though.  Unless we actually really don't care about absolute tiers and just want "here's where the US is with these charas". 

But then results are incredibly skewed.  Nero is top tier (arly  ).  No good aokos (zar) to represent, no good arcs (xaq?), no good etc etc etc.