C-Sion in MBAA

[Tempered]

http://mbaa.mizuumi.net/index.php/Sion_Eltnam_Atlasia

discuss

[Benny1]

Uh, you should probably specify for the bnb that it's j.[C] ad.[C] dj.[C] rather than j.[C] j.[C] j.[C]

[Rayza]

Tempered there's like a million typos in this thing.

[Tempered]

Uh, you should probably specify for the bnb that it's j.[C] ad.[C] dj.[C] rather than j.[C] j.[C] j.[C]

thought i did for the first one, updated.

Tempered there's like a million typos in this thing.

I hope you're not just looking at a spell checker. Anyways pm them too me and ill change them, cause a quick look over I didn't really notice much..

[sumbody]

lhw1 from IRC here.

Thought you might want to add the cutter synch variations for completions sake.

On standing opponent in corner (omit 5c before 3c if opponent is crouching):

2a/5a 5b 2b 5c 3c 421c j214a, from here on you can do any of the below:

( ) can be omitted

-2b 5b 5c jb jc, jb jc throw (easiest link but least damage)

-2b (5b) 5c jb jc, j[c], air dash j[c] j214a, jb jc, jb jc throw

-5[c] (2a) 6[ b ] 214b dash in 5a 5b 2b 5c 2c 214a
(note: 2a can be omitted depending on the timing for 5[c] and 6[ b ]. 214b has to be inputted 236b at times depending on which side the opponent bounces up. can be ended with air combo instead but damage difference isn't that big and 214a gives untechable knockdown for oki)

-5[c] (2a) 5[c] 214b dash in 5a 5b 2b 5c 2c 214a
(similar to combo above, not sure about damage difference)

For the combos with 214b, if you're in MAX, you can end with 236c to circuit break instead, and still have oki

More if I think of others but these are the ones I usually use.

[Benny1]

Yeah, seriously, that 236C circuit break is ridiculous.

2A 5B 2B 3C 421C j.214A BE5C BE6B 214B dash 5AB 2B 5C 2C 236C is so long circuit break and probably couldn't be more than like 130% meter required.

[Tempered]

Added in 236c ender for 214b.

Ill mess around with cutting sync a little later. im not too fond of it in AA for whatever reason but i really should be using it more since it replaces 214c in the corner. Also i don't really like using 200% meter even in max. 214a ender is actually better because of the 50/50 factor to deter reversals after a metered combo.

[sumbody]

Using 236C is always good. Nothing better than making someone lose all that meter in MAX.

Been trying to find ways to reload mid combo but seems like the days of MBAC are over. 214a 22d is still safe reload tho, or combo into 236c but that requires meter.

I agree the cutter synch isn't as good as it used to be due to the new j[c] combos. Damage wise, j[c] loop with j214c would do more damage for the same 100% meter. Then again, cutter synch is easier in my opinion and gives 214a/236c setup if wanted. Each to their own styles I suppose.

[Tempered]

Been trying to find ways to reload mid combo but seems like the days of MBAC are over. 214a 22d is still safe reload tho, or combo into 236c but that requires meter.

probably not gonna happen. 22d to actually reload takes waaaay to long now. you could probably do a non reload 22d and combo afterward off 6(b) to look flashy.

[Rayza]

Uh, you should probably specify for the bnb that it's j.[C] ad.[C] dj.[C] rather than j.[C] j.[C] j.[C]

thought i did for the first one, updated.

Tempered there's like a million typos in this thing.

I hope you're not just looking at a spell checker. Anyways pm them too me and ill change them, cause a quick look over I didn't really notice much..

Looks like you got some of the more obvious ones (it was mainly combo notation being wrong, like you wrote 5c2c j.[c] for a few and it was like ?!)

[Madscientist]

With her new j.2C, she can do a better fuzzy guard now: j.[C] j.B j.2C into whatever.
This way there's only one reverse beat and the damage is decent.

[Rayza]

Yeah just tried it, much better//easier to do, can also use it as a triple overhead.

[Tempered]

With her new j.2C, she can do a better fuzzy guard now: j.[C] j.B j.2C into whatever.
This way there's only one reverse beat and the damage is decent.

Good find. ill have to mess with that later.

[Rayza]

good crouch confirm combo:

5b 2b 5c j.c dj.[c] ad.[c]214a land j.bc sdj.bc 6e/j.623b

Does a fuck ton of damage, not sure if it's hitbox specific, gotten it to work fine on vsion and len so far, probably works as long as you can hit 5c into j.c

[Tempered]

good crouch confirm combo:

5b 2b 5c j.c dj.[c] ad.[c]214a land j.bc sdj.bc 6e/j.623b

Does a fuck ton of damage, not sure if it's hitbox specific, gotten it to work fine on vsion and len so far, probably works as long as you can hit 5c into j.c

Hella late updated..

[Benny1]

lmao fuck is there any way to increase damage notably with 421C or 214C these days?  I can't think of anything that increases damage.

btw, 2AA 5B 2B 5C (2) 421C (3) j.214A BE5C BE6B 214B dash 2A 5B 2B 5C (2) 2C 236C takes exactly 140.2 meter, for what it's worth.  More than I was hoping...

[Tempered]

Not really. A good thing honestly since now you can save meter for 236c to circuit break some fgts. meter is mostly used now for 214a setups imo. Use the meter to get some more damage in then end with 214a for oki.

[Benny1]

Here, I stole these from the JP wiki.

2AA 5B 2B 3C 421C j.214 BE5C BE6B 214B <dash> 5AAB 2B 5C(1) 236B(5) 2AB 5C(1) 2C 214A/236C

Pretty cool, reduces the required meter a bit, reloads your bullets, and so on.  Sweet.

2AA 5B 2B 5C 3C j.[C] delay ad.[C] dj.[C] j.214A j.C dj.[C] delay ad.[C] j.214A j.C dj.[C] Airthrow

There is a note for this one that says the trick is to delay as much as possible, and it's for if you want to maximize your damage and such.  This is the full j.[C] loop.

2AA 5B 2B 5C j.BC dj.[C] delay ad.[C] j.214A j.C dj.[C] delay ad.[C] j.214A jC dj.[C] airthrow

Better crouch confirm combo.

Get grinding!

Also there is

2AA 5B 2B 3C 421C j.214A 2B 5C j.BC dj.[C] delay ad.[C] j.214A j.C dj.[C] delay ad.[C] j.214A j.C dj.[C] Airthrow

EXシンクの拾いをBEJCコンにしたコンボ。ダメージは上のBEJCコンとほとんど同じだがこちらのほうが難易度が低いので上のコンボが不安定な人向け。
is the comment, and I can't gather what it means, and I don't really know if this combo is worth the effort, and that note sort of makes it seem like that might be the case.

[Curbeh]

EXシンクの拾いをBEJCコンにしたコンボ。ダメージは上のBEJCコンとほとんど同じだがこちらのほうが難易度が低いので上のコンボが不安定な人向け。

Pick up an EX Sync with a BEJC combo for the combo (like the above one). The damage is around the same as the above combo but it not as hard, so if you are not confident about the one above, use this.

[Bolverk-GTM]

Ok so question here and it may have been asked already.  I'm ridiculously used to MBAC Sion, so I decided to look into C-Sion's combos in MBAA so I can stop using my BnB from MBAC since it looks like in MBAA there's some more damaging combos for C-Sion.  What's being a total beeyotch for me is timing the j.[C]s in the first BnB.  Anything can go wrong whenever I try it, whether it be the AI techs randomly on the first j.C (this is a random occurrence just because sometimes 3C to j.C doesn't feel like working), my ad.C whiffs like it usually does (this is why I omit the ad.C in her MBAC BnB), I'll sometimes do a regular j.C which is sometimes acceptable because it hits anyways and it combos into j.214C, OR in the cases where I said "screw it" and omitted the ad.C and tried it without, the j.214A whiffs because there's too much spacing.

In a summary, my major problem is the freaking ad.C.  Ever since MBAC Ver. B, I couldn't get it to work for the life of me.  I mean sure it SOMETIMES works, but it's not often.  I've always been great with Dualshock controllers, but never has something stumped me like this before.  I got pretty much everything else on Sion down wonderfully, but my pet peeve remains to be ad.C and I don't know why.  While I keep at this like the persistent fighting gamer I am, can anyone throw some pointers on the timing of the j.[C] delay ad.[C] delay dj.[C] j.214A my way?

[Tempered]

For the triple j.[c] combo theres no real pointers I can give. Its just as its wrote, 3c j.[c] delay a bit 66 j.[c] 8 delay a bit j.[c] j.214a. Just mess around with the timing until it clicks. Also the 3c j.[c] link is not random, and the only time it wont work is after a 214b, just about any other time its guaranteed unless you mistimed it. You pretty much have to hit the c button as soon as you jump. If you're not comfortable with the air-dash jump c then just omit it until you are. Another tip is to be patient. nobody learned combos like this overnight, even I don't land it 100% of the time still.

[Tempered]

Updated/cleaned for anyone that cares.