MBAA : Ciel General Discussion Thread

[AkiraTheMastodon]

This is the most I can do for F Ciel right now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hKsE2Fvg04

Hope you guys enjoy it?
I still wub ciel 
Forgot to do dash junks again 

[AARP|ZTB]

. . .

GGGRRRRrrrraaaaAAAKIRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! 

Also i hope brandio is being /sarcastic about 'giving' CL and inf (hard to tell sometimes on the internets). I would hope that a game designer wouldnt intentionally give or make an infinite available to a character. This is obviously a design flaw which was overlooked and is usually taken care of with a good ol' patch up.

[Rayza]

He was being sarcastic Zar.

[Chie Satonaka]

I was *partly* being sarcastic.

[Pfhor]

Back to new Ciel shit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qb3RVgLJ_g

Watch the last match in this vid between hnanaya and cciel, notice ciel trying to do a loop involving 5cc 214[a] with a charge 4b followup. She never gets the whole thing off, but it looks like it would be a suitable high damage replacement for her shield cancel combo.

[okuhoshi]

watch this Black Key...no, we should call it BUG Key now

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DehnEJuC-rw
1:15

[Chie Satonaka]

watch this Black Key...no, we should call it BUG Key now

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DehnEJuC-rw
1:15

Now where have we seen that before....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkI2sdnR6kM 

Sad thing is this is probably the best thing I've seen CielC do and I don't even give a damn for it... I see more interesting shit in characters I don't even play. Although 22B>airthrow was pretty funny to see.

[COD3player]

I suppose this new black key loop is a good replacement for her old shield cancel. There's probably some other cool stuff you can do with it other than just the loop itself. The boards have been down for a while so I dunno if there's any other stuff worth mentioning in the recent vids. If I have time I'll do another writeup. Still waiting for good fCiel matchplay.

[Chie Satonaka]

I suppose this new black key loop is a good replacement for her old shield cancel. There's probably some other cool stuff you can do with it other than just the loop itself. The boards have been down for a while so I dunno if there's any other stuff worth mentioning in the recent vids. If I have time I'll do another writeup. Still waiting for good fCiel matchplay.

I see a possible bootleg reset involving 2C instead of 4and her damage surpasses the shield cancel BNB by far (One video showing 5.5K) and far as waiting for a good fCiel....maybe one day.

[COD3player]

Just some other things that I felt needed to be documented.

cCiel
3848
3:08 - The 214[A] loop. Also uses [4B].
3:37 - With the ability to move after j.22B, air throwing is possible if used in combos.
5:08 - Another look at the 214[A] loop. It looks like it's possible to combo 2 214[A]s from midscreen but more of them is impossible unless you dash in with [4B]. I've also noticed that when the 214[A] freezes them temporarily, the opponent returns to ground level before the explosion launches them up.
9:28 - Invalid hit?

3849
0:48 - The old j.C fuzzy guard still works.
3:55 - The 214[A] loop appears to work on Nero as well.

3851
2:18 - Did 2C hit the opponent immediately after the explosion occured?
3:07 - A somewhat long pressure string.
4:28 - The [4B] relaunch after 214[A] doesn't quite work well against smaller opponents it seems.
4:43 - I guess [4B] relaunch works after all.
5:29 - LOL!!!!! Yomi layer too high.
5:46 - Punishing a forward tech from the air throw with a falling j.B.
8:12 - 4 reps of the 214[A] loop starting from one of the corners. Dunno why the 5th rep didn't hit. It looks like the [4B] was canceled at just the right time.

3852
1:11 - 2 reps of 214[A] loop against Akiha. So it looks like it can work against smaller characters, at least in the corner.

[Chie Satonaka]

OK screw the bootleg 2C reset option. She has so much more from this loop. This is probably one of the very few times I'll talk positive about cCiel so.....

Not only does she have a 2C reset option, she can either try and keep the loop going long enough to put them on the other side of the level, go on to do a airstring, even super duper ambiguous dash mixup if they decide to air tech...Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a boxer type corner throw mixup with this...Almost makes me want to touch cCiel...almost.

[COD3player]

cCiel
NO16
6:56 - A whopping 5 reps of the 214[A] loop against Nero.
7:45 - Air throw tech punish into bnb.

Crossposted in the video room by Psylocke: NO24
2:12 - Ciel infinite + freezing bug works on Aoko midscreen.
5:22 - It looks like the j.2[C] hit overhead. Aoko was dashing, and she wasn't attacking either because there was no counter hit message.
6:44 - 5 reps of the 214[A] loop against Kohaku.
8:15 - 6 reps of 214[A] loop into 2C reset.

There's an fCiel match after this one but as expected the player gets steamrolled and was very unproductive.

26
Near the end.

NO27
All Ciel matches. Will comment later.

[Chie Satonaka]

cCiel
NO16
6:56 - A whopping 5 reps of the 214[A] loop against Nero.
7:45 - Air throw tech punish into bnb.

Crossposted in the video room by Psylocke: NO24
2:12 - Ciel infinite + freezing bug works on Aoko midscreen.
5:22 - It looks like the j.2[C] hit overhead. Aoko was dashing, and she wasn't attacking either because there was no counter hit message.
6:44 - 5 reps of the 214[A] loop against Kohaku.
8:15 - 6 reps of 214[A] loop into 2C reset.

There's an fCiel match after this one but as expected he gets steamrolled and was very unproductive.

Sounds like as many reps as her OTG loop. Seems like her OTG loop except it does damage AND builds meter...LOL too good.

And about the fCiel match.....

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6RDLaBm__I  0:18-0:33 9 Fucking reps of this loop.

My personal take on this loop. Will this loop make her top tier again? No way. While her damage output has increased tremendously, along with her meter building, carries them to the other corner, AND gives her plenty of options mid-screen or corner she has lost almost every other tool that has made her top in Ver.B2. Her mixups I have to say are abysmal at best compared to what she was used to be able to do, her air movement for the most part isn't as good as it was (w/o meter) although the ability to get movement after 22B is somewhat good,  I guess you can still have the same air movement like she did back in Ver.B2 but now you don't have the option of not using meter (thanks to her 214A), and 236C.....never really made her top in the first place so I won't even go there. While I will say that this does change my personal opinion about cCiel, not much but I don't see her as COMPLETELY useless. I will say that she will never be as good as she was in Ver.B2. cCiel or hCiel that is, I still say FM can and probably will be the best of the three.

[Rei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH5TUw9l6TM
6:27-8:29

This game needs a fix... Ciel needs to be effin fixed... Her infinite goes into a freeze glitch. How gay.

[Rayza]

It's like you haven't read this thread at all and interjected with "omg Ciel is broken" even though the handcuff glitch has been known for like 3 weeks and everyone WANTS it fixed.

[Chie Satonaka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH5TUw9l6TM
6:27-8:29

This game needs a fix... Ciel needs to be effin fixed... Her infinite goes into a freeze glitch. How gay.

Have you been living under a rock for the past month? Shits mad old and while I do agree that this game needs a fix Ciel really don't one. This loop is her only redeeming factor as far as keeping up with everyone else now....they just need to make the loop either groundslam or wall slam it should be good.

[COD3player]

I posted a bunch of links to Ciel matches in the video thread. I haven't watched all of them because I've been very busy lately, so there are no time indexes. I may have missed a few but I listed them to the best of my ability. Use this thread to discuss any of those.

From what little I've seen though, in NO128 @ 6:31, j.214A can be used as a possible tech punish when you throw them into the corner but aren't close enough.

[Chie Satonaka]

Check out either #111 or #112 in the Ciel thread (forgets time index ) for another lame fact about 214[A].

If you ever land a 214[A] OTG hit the explosion will actually lift them off the ground MB:R style enabling you to either CONTINUE THE LOOP OR BNB. Although she doesn't do either of the two it looks very possible

Why..........

Edit: #114 @ 3:38

[Rei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH5TUw9l6TM
6:27-8:29

This game needs a fix... Ciel needs to be effin fixed... Her infinite goes into a freeze glitch. How gay.

Have you been living under a rock for the past month? Shits mad old and while I do agree that this game needs a fix Ciel really don't one. This loop is her only redeeming factor as far as keeping up with everyone else now....they just need to make the loop either groundslam or wall slam it should be good.

ya I've been under a rock 

[Zaelar]

Random notes on c-ciel:

• 22b > grab during an air combo only works if your opponent is high enough.  Throwing in a j.a reverse beat before the 22b makes it work reliably.
• Loop seems about as hard as shield dash combos, that is doable with some practice.
• j.b and j.c get anti-aired by random stupid shit like nanaya 2a/2b.
• 4c feels hella nerfed.
• 2aab3b5cc xx 214[a], dash, j.cb j.bc xx grab does 4k and is really easy.

[COD3player]

4C is nerfed? I can't tell from the videos but it still looks good for scoring random air CHs and it still has its clash frames.

Just some random notes about the latest vids:
NO176: cCiel
0:56 - Upward knives followed by downward knives.
3:14 - A 1P corner crossup. The 214B,236B already puts him in the corner but air dash j.B somehow crosses up and she lands on the other side.
7:38 - Tech punish with j.214A after air throw.
7:43 - Throws 2 waves of 3 knives horizontally.
8:08 - Punishing the dumb Geass Ring with 236C.
8:36 - Throwing 8 knives in one motion.

NO178: hCiel
3:44 - You can do 6AAA, 5C->.... midscreen. You can even chain into 5[C].
4:52 - The crossup hitbox on j.B is pretty far back.

NO180: cCiel
1:15 - Victory in two combos. If 4-way is really possible in the corner off this loop, then it just got THAT much more retarded.
1:47 - Check out the MASSIVE counter hit stun and damage on the 8-knife throw after a trade.

[Zaelar]

4c feels slower, but I'm not sure if it actually is.  I'm probably mistiming it due to the new falling speed.

[Rayza]

4C is nerfed? I can't tell from the videos but it still looks good for scoring random air CHs and it still has its clash frames.

Just some random notes about the latest vids:
NO176: cCiel
0:56 - Upward knives followed by downward knives.
3:14 - A 1P corner crossup. The 214B,236B already puts him in the corner but air dash j.B somehow crosses up and she lands on the other side.
7:38 - Tech punish with j.214A after air throw.
7:43 - Throws 2 waves of 3 knives horizontally.
8:08 - Punishing the dumb Geass Ring with 236C.
8:36 - Throwing 8 knives in one motion.

NO178: hCiel
3:44 - You can do 6AAA, 5C->.... midscreen. You can even chain into 5[C].
4:52 - The crossup hitbox on j.B is pretty far back.

NO180: cCiel
1:15 - Victory in two combos. If 4-way is really possible in the corner off this loop, then it just got THAT much more retarded.
1:47 - Check out the MASSIVE counter hit stun and damage on the 8-knife throw after a trade.

cCiel is now MBAC Fatsuki with better zoning

[Chie Satonaka]

4C is nerfed? I can't tell from the videos but it still looks good for scoring random air CHs and it still has its clash frames.

Just some random notes about the latest vids:
NO176: cCiel
0:56 - Upward knives followed by downward knives.
3:14 - A 1P corner crossup. The 214B,236B already puts him in the corner but air dash j.B somehow crosses up and she lands on the other side.
7:38 - Tech punish with j.214A after air throw.
7:43 - Throws 2 waves of 3 knives horizontally.
8:08 - Punishing the dumb Geass Ring with 236C.
8:36 - Throwing 8 knives in one motion.

NO178: hCiel
3:44 - You can do 6AAA, 5C->.... midscreen. You can even chain into 5[C].
4:52 - The crossup hitbox on j.B is pretty far back.

NO180: cCiel
1:15 - Victory in two combos. If 4-way is really possible in the corner off this loop, then it just got THAT much more retarded.
1:47 - Check out the MASSIVE counter hit stun and damage on the 8-knife throw after a trade.

cCiel is now MBAC Fatsuki with better zoning

Hmm...the counter hit stun works the same way if you land the 3rd wave of her 214B or 236B~j.214A you get a CH2. Of course its only possible if all knives connect, but the damage is new to me.

Ciel =/= Failure. One thing that set either of these two characters apart is the meter. Failure needs 200% to score that much...what does Ciel need? Random 2A or jumpin  AND she gets better options off of it. Failure wishes she was as retarded as Ciel.

[AARP|ZTB]

yeah so, H-CL has infinite variation wheeeee

5a>6a>6a>BE4B [repeat]

dear ecole/typemoon/frenchbread/WHOEVER,

someone fix BE4B