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: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 23, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
Hey guys!  New-ish MBAC player here.  Nice to meet y'all!

Anyway, 2 years ago I bought a wired XBox360 controller (even though I don't own an XBox360) and I've been using it for all sorts of games including Ragnarok Battle Offline, Guilty Gear, Melty Blood AC, etc, etc... and it's worked rather well for me.  However, a friend and I have just recently gotten a bit more competitive and I'm noticing some serious deficiencies in my current setup, particularly with grabs, ex shields, and spot dodging.  I'm also having a tiny bit of trouble consistently (100% of the time) getting out all quarter-circles and a really hard time even regularly (even 50% of the time) getting out any of the 421-? moves.
Right now I am NOT interested in buying a stick (even though I know it would be a lot nicer) but I'm looking for input with what I have now.

My current button layout is as follows.  I already know that it's kinda' broken so that's why I'm asking for advice now.
OLD SETUP
Movement - Left control stick
A -- A
B -- B
C -- X
D -- Y
Quick Action -- Left bumper
Pause -- start button
A+D -- right bumper
A+B -- right stick click
A+B+C -- left stick click

NEW SETUP
Movement -- D-Pad (after the Pringles hack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5knRrd-UU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5knRrd-UU))
A -- X
B -- A
C -- B
D -- right bumper
Quick Action -- Y
A+B+C -- Left bumper
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/651/651988/tgs-2005-our-love-affair-with-the-xbox-360-controller-20050918005748647-000.jpg)


Anyway, has anyone had any experience using an XBox360 controller (either successfully or unsuccessfully) that they'd like to share?  Thanks in advance!

-Russ  :teach:

EDIT: BTW, current favorite characters are #1 Nero Chaos and #2 Ciel (and my friend's favorite char is Akiha Vermillion and he keep corner trapping me as Nero!!)
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Curbeh June 23, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
A: Use a PS2 controller...
B: Use a (arcade) Stick


I honestly can't see a 360 controller being any good for fighting games.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 23, 2009, 07:24:58 PM
A: Use a PS2 controller...
B: Use a (arcade) Stick


I honestly can't see a 360 controller being any good for fighting games.

Well.... that's not exactly what I was looking for, but I'll run with it.  What is it, exactly, that makes a PS2 controller so much better than a 360 controller?  For all intents and purposes, they're extremely alike with only a few different buttons and most in similar places.  Also, if you're that down on it, would I just be better off using the keyboard?

-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Legendary Blue Shirt June 23, 2009, 07:36:57 PM
Don't let other people's personal preferences get to you, if you want to be a 360 pad warrior then do it.
Of course, there's a certain advantage to being able to walk into an arcade and knowing how to use a proper arcade stick.
If you want to have the same layout that the PS2 games use, you'll have to map it as such:

A - X
B - Y
C - B
D - A
Quick Action - Right Bumper

I'm not sure about the macro buttons, no one here uses them and the arcades don't have them.

Edit: Oh yeah, wireless controllers may have input delay.  If you can get a wired 360 controller you'd be wise to do so.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 23, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
Hmm... thanks for the support and suggestion.  I'll try that setup out!
Also...
Anyway, 2 years ago I bought a wired XBox360 controller... [snip]
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Curbeh June 23, 2009, 07:51:40 PM
For me:
Having the direction on the D-pad separated (+ vs O)
Having the the D-pad and the buttons on the same horizontal level
Having the left and right triggers much closer to each other
And having the controller smaller in general

Are the major pluses for me to favor PS2 controllers.


My setup (for both) would look like:

X - 360 - PS2
A - X - [ ]
B - A - X
C - B - O
D - Y - ∆
AB - RT - R2
AD - RB - R1
ABC - LB - L1


I've tried 360 controllers for numerous fighters, I really can't get into/used to using them...
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 23, 2009, 08:05:55 PM
Thanks for the clarification.  I can totally see the merit, there.  It was a lot more helpful than "buy a stick".  There are some games that don't require quite the finesse or split-hair response that MBAC dose.  (EG my previous example of RBO... you should try it!  It's fun! www.ragnarokbattle.com )
However, right now I don't have the money/motivation to go out and buy a stick or PS2 controller / adapter.  Maybe after my 360 controller dies I'll consider it.
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: shiki321 June 24, 2009, 12:20:51 AM
heh i use to play my MB or other games with the 360 controller but now i can't cuz there somthing wrong with my USB port...  :'(
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Van_Artic June 24, 2009, 02:55:57 AM
personally, i would use the 360 controller if the d-pad wouldn't suck this much

anyway my actual setup with the ps2 pad:

A - []
B - ∆
C - O
D - X
AB - L2
AD - R2
ABC - L1

btw, what's the price for the most cheapest arcade stick? i'd like to buy one
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Iduno June 24, 2009, 07:14:38 AM
I've heard there's a mod you can do to the 360 pad with some sandpaper and a pringles lid, can't remember the link though, just google it.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: EverAlert June 24, 2009, 07:43:07 AM
I used to use a 360 pad for Melty, which was quite painful. I've since migrated to stick, but if you really want to be a pad warrior, as mentioned the PS2 pad is the way to go, for already-given reasons. In any case, here's my old 360 setup:

A - X
B - A
C - B
D - Y
Q - [none]
AB - L Bumper
AD - R Bumper
ABC - Back

I found that to be the most optimal layout, personally; A/B/C made more sense for 3-way teleports, everything is within reach/unobtrusive, etc. etc.). I really recommend buying a stick though, it's a lot more natural to use and you won't find yourself fighting with the controller. There are decent inexpensive sticks you can buy if money is an issue (see below).


: Van_Artic
btw, what's the price for the most cheapest arcade stick? i'd like to buy one

I don't know if this is the cheapest, but $30 seems to be the going price for a Mayflash stick (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-49-en-70-3d9n.html).
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 24, 2009, 08:05:16 AM
I've heard there's a mod you can do to the 360 pad with some sandpaper and a pringles lid, can't remember the link though, just google it.
I believe the link is here... http://tinyurl.com/ml4njd
I'm usually quite hesitant of hardware mods, but this looks fairly easy and difficult to screw up as you're not actually cutting any of your controller parts.  I don't see the direct benefit here, though, as it seems nobody uses the d-pad anyway.

Also, if sticks are that inexpensive I might be interested in getting one.  I was just a bit scared off when I saw in a general thread that someone said they got a "crapy/mediocre" stick for $150.

-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Van_Artic June 24, 2009, 08:14:41 AM
I don't know if this is the cheapest, but $30 seems to be the going price for a Mayflash stick (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-49-en-70-3d9n.html).
does anyone have this? usually cheap arcade sticks are not so good in terms of quality
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Fui June 24, 2009, 08:23:07 AM
I've heard there's a mod you can do to the 360 pad with some sandpaper and a pringles lid, can't remember the link though, just google it.
I believe the link is here... http://tinyurl.com/ml4njd
I'm usually quite hesitant of hardware mods, but this looks fairly easy and difficult to screw up as you're not actually cutting any of your controller parts.  I don't see the direct benefit here, though, as it seems nobody uses the d-pad anyway.

Also, if sticks are that inexpensive I might be interested in getting one.  I was just a bit scared off when I saw in a general thread that someone said they got a "crapy/mediocre" stick for $150.

-Russ  :teach:
You can get a good one for $100 (HRAP 2 or something). I have one but I prefer pad. Still.

I used a PS2 pad. Some inputs are too difficult when compared to stick so I used the shortcut keys for certain things.
In terms of ZBOZ:
A = X
B = A
C = B
D = Right bumper
Quick Action (throw) = Y
A+B (dash/dodge) = R2 (right...trigger?)
A+D = not mapped
A+B+C (heat) = Left bumper

The d-pad looks kinda crappy on the zboz controller but hopefully it works for you. I remember trying to use it at the Aksys Battle Fantasia demo at AX and it was a nightmare.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 24, 2009, 08:31:24 AM
The odd thing, as well, is that right now I can't seem to map anything onto the trigger buttons.  I forgot whether I'm using the old driver or the new driver since I did a reformat a while back.  :slowpoke:  I think I'm using the old one, tho.  Another retarded thing with the XBox 360 controller is that the default driver has the right and left triggers on a single axis.  That way, when you hit both triggers at once... can you guess what happens? ... they both cancel each other out and nothing happens.  This would TOTALLY be a nightmare for trying to play many FPSs on a PC (such as Halo 2, 3).  What was microsloth thinking?  :psyduck:
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: llama_egg June 24, 2009, 09:36:05 AM
I don't know if this is the cheapest, but $30 seems to be the going price for a Mayflash stick (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-49-en-70-3d9n.html).
does anyone have this? usually cheap arcade sticks are not so good in terms of quality
Couldn't find any real reviews for the thing, but I am a bit worried about the fact that not even their website mentions what parts are being used, so it would really be hit or miss  :psyduck:

Still say bank some money to the side, and build one, if you know someone or can build a case (Apparently it's possible with just a dremel) it will save you quite a bit of cash as paying someone else to build one is a good chunk of change. Hell, I currently have one commissioned using Pao Ferro (exotic wood) which is setting me back a good $160, but that price is mostly due to the wood itself.   
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 24, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
I've heard there's a mod you can do to the 360 pad with some sandpaper and a pringles lid, can't remember the link though, just google it.
So, even though that was not directly related to the question at hand, I tried it anyway.  :P
I agree, the d-pad is now a lot more responsive and "click-y". :-D  I'll have to try it out in some games...

-Russ  :teach:


EDIT:
WOW!  Big change and big help!  I tried using the button setup setup Fui suggested and tried using the d-pad instead of the control stick.  With the upgraded responsiveness, I could get the 412-? moves out just fine!  :toot: (what I was having real trouble with before.)  I can see how the better layout will help me quite a bit.  Now I'll have to re-learn myself how to play with the new config. Q_Q
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: EverAlert June 24, 2009, 04:05:59 PM
I need to try out this pringles lid mod, anything to make that mushy d-pad more responsive. xD


: Van_Artic
does anyone have this? usually cheap arcade sticks are not so good in terms of quality
I have one, which I bought purely because I needed a cheap PS3-compatible stick for Evo, since I don't have a PS3 and therefore nothing that will work on PS3 lol. Although I'm still relatively new to sticks (particularly various brands/parts/quality), I haven't had any issues while playing with it so far. The joystick is kinda loose, that doesn't seem to affect gameplay at all though.

Take that as you will. I'm not exactly bothered with the quality of this specific stick in the first place, so my feedback may be useless. :psyduck:


: RussellChamp
The odd thing, as well, is that right now I can't seem to map anything onto the trigger buttons. ... Another retarded thing with the XBox 360 controller is that the default driver has the right and left triggers on a single axis.

About the trigger buttons, that's MBAC's fault. It won't let you set anything on an axis as a button, and assumes the main stick and dpad are used for control without letting you set those individually. So as a result you can't set the triggers, since they're pressure-sensitive (on an axis; not actual buttons).

Also the axis problem has more to do with DirectInput vs XInput. The 360 pad is meant to be a DirectInput-compatible XInput controller, so there's a reason (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb173051(VS.85).aspx) the triggers are on the same axis. Ultimately it's up to the software whether to implement DirectInput or XInput. When using XInput the triggers will be seen as different "axises", while DirectInput sees them as shared. I doubt Halo 2/3 would have the axis problem, it's likely they run XInput. Anyway, new drivers won't "fix" this.

Hope I'm not coming off as rude, just trying to help. :3
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 24, 2009, 06:08:37 PM
[snip...]

Hope I'm not coming off as rude, just trying to help. :3

No, no!  That was quite helpful!  Also, thanks for the (hidden) link.  I still find it funny that they are seen as on the same axis.  If you got under the "Game Controllers" menu from the Control Panel (assuming you're running WinXP) you can see in the configuration options of the controller that Windoze (at least) sees it as one axis.  This makes it difficult for other games such as emus for old games. (If you know what I mean... is that topic taboo here?)

-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: ShinMasaki June 24, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
in addition, i got pissed off at the 360 controller for fighting games. So, what did I do?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=57402.0

is approximately what i did. if you don't want to buy a stick, then build one...easy enough. personally though, i prefer a ps2 pad for melty
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Sh1k1 June 24, 2009, 08:55:58 PM
[...] personally though, i prefer a ps2 pad for melty
Preach it, bro.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Van_Artic June 25, 2009, 04:29:02 AM
hey guys, what about this one? (http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=180372356717#ebayphotohosting)
i'm going to buy it o_O
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Legendary Blue Shirt June 25, 2009, 04:35:33 AM
Sounds good to me!
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Van_Artic June 25, 2009, 04:53:00 AM
i just hope it doesn't break after only 2 matches on MBAC and Tekken 5 :P

ENGRISH FTW
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: psu319 June 25, 2009, 05:23:43 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 25, 2009, 06:09:56 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467
Haha!  That is cheap as cheap can get!  I prefer something with at least a little bit more functionality.  I'm also able to amaze my friends and astound my family when I say I have an XBox 360 controller but now XBox. :-P
Heh, I also like how this thread evolved from my initial question to a discussion on sticks and all else...

-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: LoliSauce June 25, 2009, 08:47:03 AM
This makes it difficult for other games such as emus for old games. (If you know what I mean... is that topic taboo here?)

-Russ  :teach:
We just frown on talks of piracy, especially when it comes to melty itself.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Iduno June 25, 2009, 09:28:35 AM
This makes it difficult for other games such as emus for old games. (If you know what I mean... is that topic taboo here?)

-Russ  :teach:
We just frown on talks of piracy, especially when it comes to melty itself.

Really?
I always thought that being chased down by a loli squad was more of a form of encouragement or reward then a deterent.

Is there an exception on talk like a pirate day (http://www.talklikeapirate.com/)?
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Van_Artic June 25, 2009, 09:56:02 AM
Really?
I always thought that being chased down by a loli squad was more of a form of encouragement or reward then a deterent.
trust me, you'll never want to being chased by them  :prinny:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: shiki321 June 25, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467

my cousin got that though he smash by mistake
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: llama_egg June 25, 2009, 08:43:44 PM
hey guys, what about this one? (http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=180372356717#ebayphotohosting)
i'm going to buy it o_O
Honestly speaking, it's sort'a hard to tell how good a stick is going to be without knowing what parts are being used (Sanwa, Seimitsu, etc.), and it will really be a hit or miss thing (unless your lucky to know someone actually using one).
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Sh1k1 June 26, 2009, 01:22:15 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467
Screw that, I've been using this one (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/288&cl=US,EN) for almost three years now and haven't had the slightest problem with it. This includes playing on MANY emulators, mashing Melty, mashing LOTS of DMC3 and 4, mashing LOTS of doujin games, and the occasional Street Fighter Alpha 3 match on my friend's PS3. (YES, the PS3 recognizes this pad and uses it like a regular one!)
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: -Devin- June 26, 2009, 09:54:08 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467
Screw that, I've been using this one (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/288&cl=US,EN) for almost three years now and haven't had the slightest problem with it. This includes playing on MANY emulators, mashing Melty, mashing LOTS of DMC3 and 4, mashing LOTS of doujin games, and the occasional Street Fighter Alpha 3 match on my friend's PS3. (YES, the PS3 recognizes this pad and uses it like a regular one!)

That pad is awesome. However, that thing broke on me sooooo many times, I guess I am just unlucky. everyone should try that pad atleast once though, it is a million times better than the ps2 pad imo.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Erkz June 26, 2009, 09:58:22 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467
Screw that, I've been using this one (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/288&cl=US,EN) for almost three years now and haven't had the slightest problem with it. This includes playing on MANY emulators, mashing Melty, mashing LOTS of DMC3 and 4, mashing LOTS of doujin games, and the occasional Street Fighter Alpha 3 match on my friend's PS3. (YES, the PS3 recognizes this pad and uses it like a regular one!)

That pad is awesome. However, that thing broke on me sooooo many times, I guess I am just unlucky. everyone should try that pad atleast once though, it is a million times better than the ps2 pad imo.

I mashed the D-Pad off mine within 3 months and had to get a new pad (http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-P2500-Rumble-Force-Game/dp/B000075B5V) because of it. And while the logitech is indeed pretty kewl, I'd rather a PS2 pad. The logitech feels a bit too small and cramped. >_o
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Iduno June 26, 2009, 01:14:07 PM
Really?
I always thought that being chased down by a loli squad was more of a form of encouragement or reward then a deterent.
trust me, you'll never want to being chased by them  :prinny:
Well I suppose the getting chased part might be tireing, but the getting caught sounds good!  :bleh:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 26, 2009, 07:37:09 PM
Ok... so I switched up my button config to the one now seen in the first post and performed the über-easy d-pad hack on my controller and it is sooooo much easier now!  The quarter circles and Z-patters come much smoother and grabs and dodges are now easier, too.  I'm still having trouble air combo'ing like the pros, but I guess that's why they're called professionals.
Thank you, guys, it's been a tremendous help!  Now I'll once again have the upper hand on my Japanese gaming buddy.  >:D
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: ShinMasaki June 26, 2009, 09:28:30 PM
Now I'll once again have the upper hand on my Japanese gaming buddy.


If they are truly Nihongo-nese, then it is impossible to have an upper hand at gaming against them. A true Japanese is actually a robot. They build Gundams over there for fun.  :slowpoke:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Van_Artic June 27, 2009, 02:33:39 AM
Ok... so I switched up my button config to the one now seen in the first post and performed the über-easy d-pad hack on my controller and it is sooooo much easier now!
what tutorial did you followed? i want to do it too °_°
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: CrimsonMoonMist June 27, 2009, 04:02:16 AM
This is the pad I use.  I've had if for over a year and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=40467
Screw that, I've been using this one (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/288&cl=US,EN) for almost three years now and haven't had the slightest problem with it. This includes playing on MANY emulators, mashing Melty, mashing LOTS of DMC3 and 4, mashing LOTS of doujin games, and the occasional Street Fighter Alpha 3 match on my friend's PS3. (YES, the PS3 recognizes this pad and uses it like a regular one!)

It does? i didn't know that, that's awesome!
I got both of those pads, i use the small one,
then I'll switch to the other one when it dies.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 27, 2009, 06:52:46 AM
Ok... so I switched up my button config to the one now seen in the first post and performed the über-easy d-pad hack on my controller and it is sooooo much easier now!
what tutorial did you followed? i want to do it too °_°

See the links from the previous page.  If you have a wired controller, all you'll need is a small philips-head screwdriver, an exacto knife (or scissors or other bladed instrument), coarse sandpaper, and a plastic pringles lid.  If you're using a wireless controller (shame on you!), then you'll need a T8 screwdrive (it has a star-like head on it) because the screws are different.  "Screwy", huh?  :o

-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: LoliSauce June 27, 2009, 07:12:41 AM
Now I'll once again have the upper hand on my Japanese gaming buddy.


If they are truly Nihongo-nese, then it is impossible to have an upper hand at gaming against them. A true Japanese is actually a robot. They build Gundams over there for fun.  :slowpoke:
I feel like a fucking weeaboo for saying this, but Nihongo-nese should be Nihonjin-nese.  Nihongo is the language; Nihonjin is the nationality. 
EDIT:
I want to reference Nippon the Nipponese right now, but I can't find the images and I don't think anyone would know what I'm talking about anyway.  =<

Also, why would you buy a gamepad when you can get a ps2>usb converter for even cheaper and ps2 pads are much more durable?  The only reason I'd see is not owning a ps2, but really, what gamer doesn't?
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 27, 2009, 07:20:23 AM
Now I'll once again have the upper hand on my Japanese gaming buddy.


If they are truly Nihongo-nese, then it is impossible to have an upper hand at gaming against them. A true Japanese is actually a robot. They build Gundams over there for fun.  :slowpoke:
I feel like a fucking weeaboo for saying this, but Nihongo-nese should be Nihonjin-nese.  Nihongo is the language; Nihonjin is the nationality. 
EDIT:
I want to reference Nippon the Nipponese right now, but I can't find the images and I don't think anyone would know what I'm talking about anyway.  =<

Also, why would you buy a gamepad when you can get a ps2>usb converter for even cheaper and ps2 pads are much more durable?  The only reason I'd see is not owning a ps2, but really, what gamer doesn't?

Haha!  Don't feel odd about saying that!  I'm actually surprised that I didn't notice that, myself.  Also, I don't own a PS2... (although I guess technically I am borrowing one indefinitely from a friend.  ;D)
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: EverAlert June 27, 2009, 08:26:56 AM
Haha, technically speaking it would be more correct to say Nihonjin without the "-nese." That's like saying Japanese-nese. xD *weeaboo*

Nipponese would probably work.


On-topic, on-topic. I don't own a PS2 either. sadface :'(
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Iduno June 27, 2009, 09:34:43 AM
^Me neither, sold it before getting into fighting games.

Although to be fair since most of the good stuff on the PS2 never seems to get released in England anyway, guess it doesn't matter that much.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: ShinMasaki June 27, 2009, 12:17:06 PM
my bad, nipponese was what i was thinking of but i fail. we can go with Japanese-nese though, i like that better. :V
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Rayza June 28, 2009, 11:37:52 PM
Don't let other people's personal preferences get to you, if you want to be a 360 pad warrior then do it.
Of course, there's a certain advantage to being able to walk into an arcade and knowing how to use a proper arcade stick.
If you want to have the same layout that the PS2 games use, you'll have to map it as such:

A - X
B - Y
C - B
D - A
Quick Action - Right Bumper

I'm not sure about the macro buttons, no one here uses them and the arcades don't have them.

Edit: Oh yeah, wireless controllers may have input delay.  If you can get a wired 360 controller you'd be wise to do so.

Oh come on, you know pad is trash.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Fui June 30, 2009, 03:53:01 PM
I'm glad you adopted my unbeatable pad setup RussellChamp. Now you will truly be a champ.

Don't let other people's personal preferences get to you, if you want to be a 360 pad warrior then do it.
Of course, there's a certain advantage to being able to walk into an arcade and knowing how to use a proper arcade stick.
If you want to have the same layout that the PS2 games use, you'll have to map it as such:

A - X
B - Y
C - B
D - A
Quick Action - Right Bumper

I'm not sure about the macro buttons, no one here uses them and the arcades don't have them.

Edit: Oh yeah, wireless controllers may have input delay.  If you can get a wired 360 controller you'd be wise to do so.

Oh come on, you know pad is trash.
YOUR trash.
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 30, 2009, 06:03:57 PM
I'm glad you adopted my unbeatable pad setup RussellChamp. Now you will truly be a champ.

Don't let other people's personal preferences get to you, if you want to be a 360 pad warrior then do it.
Of course, there's a certain advantage to being able to walk into an arcade and knowing how to use a proper arcade stick.
If you want to have the same layout that the PS2 games use, you'll have to map it as such:

A - X
B - Y
C - B
D - A
Quick Action - Right Bumper

I'm not sure about the macro buttons, no one here uses them and the arcades don't have them.

Edit: Oh yeah, wireless controllers may have input delay.  If you can get a wired 360 controller you'd be wise to do so.

Oh come on, you know pad is trash.
YOUR trash.
...  :o and YOU'RE bad with grammar!  ;D
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Fui June 30, 2009, 06:21:29 PM
------joke----->

        :psyduck:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 30, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
------joke----->

        :psyduck:
<---grammar correction----- (also joke) :prinny:
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Fui June 30, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
Well played. Now play a REAL game like VANGUARD PRINCESS.

: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 30, 2009, 07:16:36 PM
Well played. Now play a REAL game like VANGUARD PRINCESS.



Hey, cool!  I'm always up for a new fighter!  ...also, because you were too lazy to do it yourself... dl link is here (http://www.vector.co.jp/download/file/win95/game/fh482384.html).
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: Escobar June 30, 2009, 08:04:16 PM
So...how's that 360 pad working out for ya? From my experiences with it...I've found it to be quite the pain in the ass. I'm actually currently working on converting to stick full-time, since I had no choice but to go stick on 360 games due to that sad d-pad.

So far, I've found success on games that I've picked up and only played with stick (BlazBlue, TvC, SF4, you know, new games), but I can't knock that feeling in the back of my head while playing games like MBAC that the stick is some kind of a weakness for me atm.

my config, btw:
X=A
Y=B
B=C
A=D
LB=A+D
RB=A+B
RT=A+B+C

I actually play on a ps2 bad, but the layout is the same...
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp June 30, 2009, 08:21:15 PM
So...how's that 360 pad working out for ya? From my experiences with it...I've found it to be quite the pain in the ass. I'm actually currently working on converting to stick full-time, since I had no choice but to go stick on 360 games due to that sad d-pad.

See previous pages and also edited first post.  Doing the dpad pringles mod really helps the responsiveness a TON and makes it a lot more playable.  Oh, I also forgot to mention... Monday I played with my Japanese friend again and whooped him with around a ratio of 10 wins to 1 loss (3 win matches).  ;D
-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp July 03, 2009, 08:07:50 AM
Well played. Now play a REAL game like VANGUARD PRINCESS.

Haha!  So I downloaded it and had some trouble getting it running.  For anyone else who's having difficulty, this is the key.  Go to "Control Pannel" -> "Regional and Language Options" -> "Advanced" and set the language to use for non-unicode programs to "Japanese" and then restart your computer.  Works like a charm!
Anyway, very nice sprites, decent game... not nearly as in depth as I think Melty Blood is but a decent little fighter nonetheless.

-Russ  :teach:

PS Sorry for the double-post. Also, how did this topic diverge like this so much!  :mystery:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: llama_egg July 03, 2009, 05:44:57 PM
 
Go to "Control Pannel" -> "Regional and Language Options" -> "Advanced" and set the language to use for non-unicode programs to "Japanese" and then restart your computer.  Works like a charm!

This is the very basics of basics for playing Japanese games  :psyduck:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp July 03, 2009, 06:08:03 PM
Go to "Control Pannel" -> "Regional and Language Options" -> "Advanced" and set the language to use for non-unicode programs to "Japanese" and then restart your computer.  Works like a charm!

This is the very basics of basics for playing Japanese games  :psyduck:

Yes, and I only found out about that now...  :slowpoke:  I'll have to go back and see if some of those Tohou games that "just wouldn't work" now do.  It's weird how they refuse to work at all under other modes.  :mystery:

-Russ  :teach:
: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: unsafermike2002 August 05, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
my ps2 set up is

A - []                                     
B - ∆
C - X
D - O
Q - L2
AB - L1
AD - R1
ABC - R2

and the xbox 360 set up is (MB wont detect the triggers on 360 pad)

A - X                                     
B - Y
C - A
D - B
Q - RB ( right bumper)
AB - LB ( left bumper)
AD - LSC ( left stick click-in)
ABC - RSC ( right stick click-in)

: Re: XBox360 controller (comments and button layout suggestions)
: RussellChamp August 05, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Haha... nice thread necromancy (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/cesarhaha/forum%20replies/ThreadNecromancer.jpg)!  Personally, I don't like mapping anything to the click-sticks on the xbox controller because it just feels awkward to use and they're not very accessible.
-Russ  :teach: